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by Jan
Wed Jan 12, 2005 12:26 pm
Forum: Literary Symposium
Topic: 1973 - The Deathbird
Replies: 78
Views: 91302

Here's what I mean: I don't think the spark(either in TD or in reality)is the power to give life or death. As I said myself in my correction (Wed Jan 12, 2005 6:02 am), which you have missed. You are quite correct in your own assumptions. I'm asking myself why Harlan used the word wisdom (the spark...
by Jan
Wed Jan 12, 2005 6:13 am
Forum: Literary Symposium
Topic: 1973 - The Deathbird
Replies: 78
Views: 91302

JohnG.: >but where is the power to give life?

I thought that went without saying. Have you ever heard of children and how they come to be? Otherwise could someone please explain it to John? ;-)
by Jan
Wed Jan 12, 2005 6:02 am
Forum: Literary Symposium
Topic: 1973 - The Deathbird
Replies: 78
Views: 91302

Correction

Upon thinking it over, I think P.A. Berman were both close to being correct about the spark. But there's Harlan's text to be considered, too. :-) At the end of section 8 you can see that the spark is intelligence (although the word wisom is used), so what PAB said (if I remember correctly) about the...
by Jan
Tue Jan 11, 2005 1:37 pm
Forum: Literary Symposium
Topic: 1973 - The Deathbird
Replies: 78
Views: 91302

sjarrett: >Jan, when you say that we lack awareness, I assume that you are talking about total awareness. I think PA is talking more narrowly about the ability to grasp abstractions...< I have to correct you. It must become hard to follow my particular train of thought because it's stretched out ove...
by Jan
Tue Jan 11, 2005 10:17 am
Forum: Literary Symposium
Topic: 1973 - The Deathbird
Replies: 78
Views: 91302

P.A.: Interesting that you think the spark could be awareness. I tend to doubt that because we lack that awareness, and I still feel that the spark (i.e. the power) is in all of us. The alternative would be that indeed only Stack has the spark, but he's portrayed to be a normal person and does nothi...
by Jan
Tue Jan 11, 2005 12:07 am
Forum: Literary Symposium
Topic: 1973 - The Deathbird
Replies: 78
Views: 91302

Brilliant remarks from Berman, but as you will see, we're on entirely different trains. My interpretation of the theme of the story and the role of the Deathbird seems to indicate what the spark is. There has been some speculation about this, but none of it fits in with my own plans. Will, first of ...
by Jan
Mon Jan 10, 2005 8:40 pm
Forum: Literary Symposium
Topic: 1973 - The Deathbird
Replies: 78
Views: 91302

I think I can answer my own question re the Deathbird, now that I've given it some thought. It strikes me how th bird seems to symbolize peace. Yet its name is death. It is therefore the death that releases. Death is neither to be desired, nor feared. If you are truly loved and respected, peace is t...
by Jan
Mon Jan 10, 2005 8:40 pm
Forum: The Art Deco Dining Pavilion
Topic: Pavilion Digest: January 2005
Replies: 0
Views: 19906

RHS

Name: Jan Source: unca20050211.htm It's going quite well. :-) About getting on the list: Everyone who's not on but wants to be will be on top of the next list, which will be made in a few months by someone we can all rely on. Who'd have expected such a turnout. About participating: As I said, every...
by Jan
Mon Jan 10, 2005 6:47 pm
Forum: Literary Symposium
Topic: 1973 - The Deathbird
Replies: 78
Views: 91302

jono: I don't see why your name is uncapitalized because of the story. Isn't the story saying the opposite, that you can capitalize it? Barney: The bible is an interesting book to study, so you can bet Ellison has read parts of it. I once started Asimov's Guide to the Bible, and I imagine Harlan has...
by Jan
Mon Jan 10, 2005 10:16 am
Forum: The Art Deco Dining Pavilion
Topic: Pavilion Digest: January 2005
Replies: 0
Views: 19906

RHS

Name: Jan Source: unca20050211.htm 1. The discussion group has a name now, it's the READING HARLAN SYMPOSIUM (thanks to jono). This is the order in which people should announce a story or essay of their choice, if it's fine with everyone (yes, the list is that long): P.A. Berman (done) Michael Head...
by Jan
Sun Jan 09, 2005 3:25 pm
Forum: Literary Symposium
Topic: 1973 - The Deathbird
Replies: 78
Views: 91302

That one was quite time-consuming to re-read. It’s difficult shifting from other sorts of literature to this and back. You have to force yourself to go slow, because you’re used to going faster; DEATHBIRD is not like other kinds of writing where you can pick up 60% and safely fill in the...
by Jan
Sun Jan 09, 2005 6:39 am
Forum: Literary Symposium
Topic: 1973 - The Deathbird
Replies: 78
Views: 91302

1973 - The Deathbird

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/2706/spideroe1.jpg "The Deathbird" Please note: This thread is designed for discussion of the "The Deathbird", especially by people who have re-read it. That said, this place is open for any kind of comment or question regarding the story, its ...
by Jan
Sun Jan 09, 2005 3:21 am
Forum: The Art Deco Dining Pavilion
Topic: Pavilion Digest: January 2005
Replies: 0
Views: 19906

GROUP DISCUSSION # 1

Name: Jan Source: unca20050211.htm "The Deathbird" This story was suggested by our friend Berman. A thread in the GENERAL section of the forums will be opened immedeately, and you can start putting your thoughts in there. After you have read or re-read the story. Anyone who has done so is invited t...
by Jan
Sat Jan 08, 2005 3:15 pm
Forum: The Art Deco Dining Pavilion
Topic: Pavilion Digest: January 2005
Replies: 0
Views: 19906

Name: Jan Source: unca20050211.htm Guys... thanks, but the idea was to keep the suggestions SECRET, they will be revealed one by one each week (by whoever has the list in a given period). We don't want to know NOW and don't NEED to know what story we'll discuss in two months' time, and we don't wan...
by Jan
Sat Jan 08, 2005 1:52 pm
Forum: The Art Deco Dining Pavilion
Topic: Pavilion Digest: January 2005
Replies: 0
Views: 19906

Name: Jan Source: unca20050211.htm So far we're in four, and this board seems pretty empty, too. Where is everyone? I'm waiting for more names (your aliases), and do send only one story title for now. We need a preliminary list of stories/essays to work from, and people willing to dust off their bo...

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