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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby RocRizzo » Mon Dec 20, 2010 7:23 am

We don't have to take them over... We have military bases all over. Perhaps not in specific countries, but within striking distance.

You all do know that the US spends more on its military than the rest of the world combined. It's no wonder we are in the financial mess we are in.
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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby FrankChurch » Mon Dec 20, 2010 3:06 pm

What Ezra needs to do is thank the Communist and anarchist immigrants who saved our country from total darkness. If he were to look into his family tree he might even find some there.

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Barber, Chavez does have the right to be a bit paranoid:

http://www.zcommunications.org/wikileak ... a-golinger

Best to avoid trusting media sources here about this issue, because our media tends to hate socialism and wants Chavez to be overthrown as the New York Times clucked about the coup in 2002.

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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby Moderator » Mon Dec 20, 2010 6:07 pm

FrankChurch wrote:
Barber, Chavez does have the right to be a bit paranoid:

http://www.zcommunications.org/wikileak ... a-golinger

Best to avoid trusting media sources here about this issue, because our media tends to hate socialism and wants Chavez to be overthrown as the New York Times clucked about the coup in 2002.


Paranoia is the excuse people used when Hitler invaded Poland. And the the Soviets began building nukes. And for the current situation with North Korea.

Paranoia in a person with dictatorial powers is a very scary thing.

Dictator. Dictatorial powers. Running rampant over the expressed will of the people in the last election.

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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby diane bartels » Mon Dec 20, 2010 10:29 pm

Nah Frankie. I'm sure Brenda is a way cool lady. But I will trust my brain. For me communism has never worked anywhere. Unless it is completely voluntary for everyone engaged in the process. In which case, it is Christianity or a similar religion based on sharing what one has with everyone else. Buddhist monasteries, etc. I have noticed that socialism practiced completely anywhere seems to devolve into communism. Which becomes cruel intolerant repressive dictatorship. Dictatorship is bad. It destroys We the People, figuratively and literally. You said that capitalism is responsible for millions of deaths. Even if I conceded the point, ever hear of Stalin? Mao? The current nutjob in N. Korea. Lots and lots of death. Countries invaded. People imprisoned. Do you think one of the dictators I just mentioned would let our friend Harlan run around writing and speaking in their countries. Not. Should there be lots of social nets in place for people? Yep. Should corp be monitored and their butts nailed to the wall when they lie and cheat and steal. Yep. Is the tax system in this country screwed up. No argument. Is communism the solution to these ills. It has not proven itself to be so. Sorry Karl. and really sorry Frank. But it just doesnt work. And as a Christian how can you reconcile the profound atheism of all the communist regimes of which I know. And their extreme persecutions of the Faith? that is a serious question frank. As a fellow believer, how can you defend Communism. Hang in there. Wiser heads than ours have stumbled mightily over these self same issues.

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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby Ezra Lb. » Tue Dec 21, 2010 12:43 pm

What Ezra needs to do is thank the Communist and anarchist immigrants who saved our country from total darkness. If he were to look into his family tree he might even find some there.

Nope. Religious dissenters all the way. Huegonots (sp?) fled France during one of the periodic persecutions to Ireland and intermixed with the local folks and then on to the USA during the Famine. A classic story like millions of others.
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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby FrankChurch » Tue Dec 21, 2010 2:10 pm

Chris Hedges would disagree.

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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby FrankChurch » Tue Dec 21, 2010 2:18 pm

The Republicans are against the Start treaty because it undermines the missle defense shield? Fucking assholes, there shouldn't be an defense shield, it obviously is a first strike weapon. The Russians are not stupid.

And, isn't a defense shield pork spending?

With people who still live in the Cold War eighties, no surprise that they don't belong in the real world.

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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby FrankChurch » Tue Dec 21, 2010 6:48 pm

Holy shit, there was a great dustup on C-Span when Ralph Nader was one of the witnesses in front of the judiciary committee on the Espionage Act and Wikileaks. Notice the republicans try to shut him up:

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/Legaland

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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby FrankChurch » Tue Dec 21, 2010 6:53 pm

Barber, is Jon Stewart a journalist? Is Jello Biafra? Is George Carlin? In their own way they all are, because they tell us things we didn't know which is journalism.

Using your logic punk rock is not music because the players can learn to play guitar in a few weeks...lol

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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby Moderator » Tue Dec 21, 2010 8:12 pm

FrankChurch wrote:Barber, is Jon Stewart a journalist? Is Jello Biafra? Is George Carlin? In their own way they all are, because they tell us things we didn't know which is journalism.


No, no and no. Two comedians and a musician with political viewpoints, yes.

Journalists, no.

You're either stretching or unaware of what a journalist actually is and does.
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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby Ezra Lb. » Tue Dec 21, 2010 9:20 pm

Unaware I should think.

And I don't think that highly of punk either...bwahahahah...


Chris Hedges would disagree.

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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby FrankChurch » Wed Dec 22, 2010 5:04 pm

A tasteless irony is that the 1917 Espionage Act was used by Woodrow Wilson to stop communists and especially anarchists, who they really hated, because they could not link us to commies, because we were against centralized authority.

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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby Moderator » Thu Dec 30, 2010 4:22 pm

Frank, just saw your post on the Pav.

Give it up, pal, Chavez is acting dictatorially. Listening to propaganda can explain almost anything, but I look at actions, not explanations. If Congress had taken the exact same actions and given Bush the same powers, you'd be the first to the podium decrying the loss of democracy.

Chavez is over the edge into dictatorship.

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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby FrankChurch » Fri Dec 31, 2010 12:26 pm

Obama let off Bush with war crimes, even though Bush admitted that he authorized water boarding. The real dictator is selling books and being licked by the press.

Dictators don't have free elections, monitered by the Carter Center. Dictators don't score high on south American polls of democracy. What dictator agrees with elections that give him less power? What dictator gives people reduced food and medical care?

We should want the south to work. That region has suffered too much. Best to hope for the best than drown in darkness.

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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby Moderator » Fri Dec 31, 2010 12:33 pm

FrankChurch wrote:What dictator agrees with elections that give him less power? What dictator gives people reduced food and medical care?



Please reread what Chavez has actually done. Elections that give him less power? How about "Rule by Decree" to keep those elections from having any real impact?

Really, Frank. Your position is untenable.
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