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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby Steve Evil » Sun Nov 22, 2009 1:35 pm

Don't "results oriented" competitions just ensure that schools who get the most money are the ones who need it the least? Isn't it the struggling students who could use the extra resources? More teachers, more educational assistants, better books, technology, proper after-school programs, etc and so forth?

Besides which, find me a single school that isn't "results oriented". Honest to God, do they think lower achieving schools don't care about results? That they just sit around all day and send the kids home?

And what do they think a result is? A number on a test designed by some beaurocrat hundreds of miles away? Who's never set foot inside a classroom? Do you know what's on these tests? Kids are given a story to read, and then asked multiple choice questions about the story's details.
" Did the boat's whistle blow:
a) 4 times
b) 6 times
c) 2 times or
d) 5 times?"
This is supposedly an objective measurement of a child's learning. The kid who can remember this kind of minutae will get better "results" and secure the school more "funding". Which it doesn't really need because it's already got the "results" these beaurocrats want.

Does it occur to them that a six year old kid who lives in a car while his mother works the strip joint might not have a supportive learning environment in the home? That some kid who skipped breakfast and lunch that day might have other things on her mind than her upcomming literacy test? That the little fellow who never sees his mom because she's bussed out of town every day to work at a Cinebun probably doesn't give a fuck about his results? If it does, they clearly don't care. Children come to school every day bruised and beaten, cold, neglected and hungry. Schools are supposed to take care of all these social ills, to be drop-in centres and abuse clinics and still produce results. Results in this case largely being useful, but harmless and ultimately disposable cheap labour for the nations factories and offices.

It is no coincidence that results oriented schools provide lucrative opportunities for publishers.

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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby FrankChurch » Sun Nov 22, 2009 2:30 pm

Steven Evil, such an intellect. You nailed it sweetpea.

The only reason Gingrich likes these things is simple: black kids do good in school, become nice little robots, get jobs, buy a nice house and they won't want welfare later. A way to dismantle the social safety net. Real learning is complex. Grades, testing, homework, these things mean nothing. How does a kid think, that's the thing?

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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby Ezra Lb. » Sun Nov 22, 2009 6:47 pm

How the hell did Al Sharpton get selected to be spokesman for anything?

But then I'm reminded that Sarah Palin is on the cover of this week's Newsweek. She wiped the drool off her cheerleader's mask and had a book written for her to disguise the blinkered, knuckle-dragging stupidity. Newt's corrupt, "do anything to get elected" hypocrisy is almost a relief next to that.

Thank you John McCain! Your legacy is secure you old fuck.
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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby FrankChurch » Mon Nov 23, 2009 2:14 pm

You are slowly getting my point about why we should never respect the conservative opinion. They accuse Clinton of murdering Vince Foster, bringing in drugs, banging...well, he does bang, lying about Anita Hill, saying that there is no support for a public option, front loading on torture and illegal spying.

Turn them over and flay that fanny, but nothing else.

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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby FrankChurch » Mon Nov 23, 2009 2:25 pm

Democracy Now reran an interview with Lou Dobbs:

http://www.democracynow.org/2007/12/4/f ... anchor_lou

Shows how open minded we really are and how we believe in facts, but the other side doesn't.

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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby Lori Koonce » Mon Nov 23, 2009 2:34 pm

FrankChurch wrote:You are slowly getting my point about why we should never respect the conservative opinion. They accuse Clinton of murdering Vince Foster, bringing in drugs, banging...well, he does bang, lying about Anita Hill, saying that there is no support for a public option, front loading on torture and illegal spying.

Turn them over and flay that fanny, but nothing else.



Frank

Here's where you and I differ in a BIG way. While respect is a little bit more that what I do, I at least listen intently to what the right has to say.

How else am I going to know how to frame my arguements? You've got to know something about the person you're arguing with if you expect to be able to influence their thinking any.

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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby cynic » Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:31 pm

FrankChurch wrote:Democracy Now reran an interview with Lou Dobbs:
http://www.democracynow.org/2007/12/4/f ... anchor_lou
Shows how open minded we really are and how we believe in facts, but the other side doesn't.
wow, for a real treat, watch the interview. hearing amy and juan stutter and stumble (missing from transcript), at one point i wondered if amy's left eye blink was a symptom of impending stroke. she's a nice lady, and it was sad to see.

the interview got them... nowhere. dobbs walked all over them.

i can't imagine why you linked this frank, unless you didn't even read it.
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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby FrankChurch » Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:17 pm

Mike, I listened to the whole thing. Why do you think I linked to it? Who cares if Amy blinks, she kills Dobbs here, unless you can defend all the white supremacists that Dobbs has on. Makes me wonder about you.

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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby cynic » Tue Nov 24, 2009 1:36 pm

frank,
the blinking, stuttering and stumbling were indications of their failure to make the valid points they could have made.
they both had good points to make, but got lost in their own agenda.
their attempts at grand gestures of dodd's "exagerations" failed by virtue of their own tendency to overcompensate.
their attempts to paint him as anti-immigration , and now your added nonsensical supremacist implication...straw men.

not quite as specific as, well, you know, hating white people, or competition, or "no god no morals", or ... whatever.

don't overcompensate frank. wonder what farrakhan thinks of chomsky, white AND jewish heritage?
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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby FrankChurch » Tue Nov 24, 2009 2:55 pm

You wanted them to act like mainstream media hosts, professional readers for hire. They are award winning journalists, not performers. They stuttered because they were rightly angry at Dobbs and his crazy lies.

Dobbs made the leprosy claims in 2005, lied about saying he corrected it, being that he defended it again in 2007. DN played the audio of that crazy lady talking about the infection of illegal aliens. The Minutemen are linked to hate groups. Dobbs has a history of hate and there is no backtracking from that fact.

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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby Ezra Lb. » Tue Nov 24, 2009 3:02 pm

That's my problem. I'm always geting lost in my own agenda. Which of course is to subvert the precious bodily fluids of my fellow Americans and make them all gay.

Frank, Hugo Chavez kinda looks like Al Gore. Just goes to show ya, under the green it's always red.
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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby FrankChurch » Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:06 pm

Chavez is a nut. Thankfully, the Venezuelan people run the show.

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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby Lori Koonce » Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:07 pm

No offense Frank, but weren't those very same people the ones who gave Chavez his job?

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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby FrankChurch » Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:19 pm

Because Chavez gave them answers as to why they were being screwed. They are much more democratically inclined than we are, so they may either tell him to quit being a butthole or replace him. The worry I have is would they install some right wing idiot who had a way with words or will they think it through and elect a true socialist, possibly from the poor ranks, like Evo Morales.

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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby Steve Evil » Wed Nov 25, 2009 10:57 am

There are bigger nuts in this world who hold more power.


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