Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby Mark Tiedemann » Sat Mar 19, 2011 5:00 pm

FrankChurch wrote:They were discussing this on Real Time with Bill Maher, where Maher and Richard Belzer were saying that if they were not close to us or light skinned this would not make the news like it did. That at least is a good point. Eight thousand people die in Africa every day but does it make the news? They used the term 'disaster porn.'

Sure, we should all care about Japan, but their point was why doesn't the media care about other places? This is what started by rant.

I didn't want it to look like it was just me spouting off. I do understand why you were agitated, Barber.



It's a little more complicated than that. Disasters---which is a sometime arbitrary label---carry their own weight. Eight thousand die in Africa every day? Then it's every day. Even in this country, we get all upset when some idiot drives a car into a public mall and runs down a bunch of people but nary a hiccup for the forty-plus thousand a year who die in "ordinary" car accidents.

Earthquakes, floods, etc. seem to prompt a response that everyday death doesn't and it doesn't seem to matter where or who the victims are.

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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby Steve Evil » Sun Mar 20, 2011 5:58 am

It's started: the British and the French are bombing Libya.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-12797500

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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby Steve Evil » Sun Mar 20, 2011 6:12 am

Gilbert Achar, interviewed in ZNet has apparently come out in support of the no-fly zone:

http://www.zcommunications.org/libyan-d ... ert-achcar

"You can't in the name of anti-imperialist principles oppose an action that will prevent the massacre of civilians."

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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby FrankChurch » Sun Mar 20, 2011 11:11 am

Gilbert has always been known to think independently. I know that Chomsky and Robert Fisk are against the no-fly zone, because it might make the situation worse. They are both right. We will see what happens on the other end.

It is a complex situation. I still think sending arms would have been the better idea.

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Yes, they are in Africa, forgive me. But let's not forget that Libya has oil.

We supported the dictatorships until they fell apart, then we pretended to support freedom. This is familiar imperial policy.

Nobody gave a shit about Libya for 42 years. Good to see a sea change, not among elites but among the people of these Muslim nations.

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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby cynic » Sun Mar 20, 2011 12:51 pm

they might have chosen a ... better name.

odyssey dawn ?

the beginning of a ten year quest ?
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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby FrankChurch » Sun Mar 20, 2011 1:44 pm

Somebody stop Ann Coulter before she kills again:

http://www.fair.org/blog/2011/03/18/ann ... d-for-you/

Unlike NPR she won't be silenced.

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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby FrankChurch » Sun Mar 20, 2011 2:16 pm

Kudos to Chomsky for saying that Europe has more racism there then here--he said this in Amsterdam.

We are quite homogenius. We have huge race problems, obviously, but Europe is a horrorshow.

France is now worried about Libyan immigration there. Good cheese doesn't equal good hearts.

Barber, when you are there do a bughunt for me..lol

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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby FrankChurch » Sun Mar 20, 2011 2:17 pm

We love America--real love is telling the truth about it.

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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby Steve Evil » Mon Mar 21, 2011 4:57 am

I thought "Odyssey Dawn" was kinda cool. Who gets to name these operations? Obviously fans of fantasy sf. . .

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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby cynic » Mon Mar 21, 2011 12:29 pm

or video games?
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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby diane bartels » Mon Mar 21, 2011 1:37 pm

Before they settled on Diane Marie as my name, my folks seriously considered Destiny Dawn. have pity on them; they were 18 and 19. Wiser heads, (my grandmas and aunt) prevailed. But think of the career I could have had in burlesque without even having to change my name. lol

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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby Chuck Messer » Mon Mar 21, 2011 1:41 pm

Or, you could have become an action hero...
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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby FrankChurch » Mon Mar 21, 2011 2:18 pm

Another thing about Japan, they are a big part of the global trade chain. Remember, foreign policy is not social work or so said Kissinger.

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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby cynic » Mon Mar 21, 2011 2:39 pm

just a guess here
but i think Kissinger might have said something more like; foreign policy is not social work alone.

the peace prize is, unfortunately, largely political.
but it is not entirely farce.
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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby Steve Evil » Mon Mar 21, 2011 3:13 pm

Destiny Dawn? Wooh! It just got hotter in here. . .


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