thanks for your reply, pardon this addition to the molehill that is already a mountain .
Barber wrote:Boy. You see hypocrisy and duplicity virtually everywhere, don't you?
actually no, i don't.
i don't post here to make accusations
often people can engage in rationalizations that fail examination...their beliefs (truth) can counter reality.
i do wonder if you are engaging in some rationalizations, less than accurate statements, and political rhetoric.
nooooo problem, no worries mate.
I did not offer the term, but will assume it is one you prefer.
Do you think i see hypocrisy where it does not exist ? Please, set me straight.
would you prefer any/everyone were blind to either ? of couse not.
facts are what i look for; they are what i expect to find, or dig out.
i must construct my own conception of reality; hopefuly you don't expect me to accept yours, on your word alone ?
Barber wrote:I admire your zeal in pointing it out. Repeatedly.
i only offer such observations if i care for, and respect the source, their moral intentions, and their ability to see and discuss reason.
otherwise i would not write to frank at all.
Zeal ? you might be shocked and concened at how often i appear to take an apathetic stance, saying nothing, sensing the futility of persuing a subject. As i suppose you have also...and discretion being the better part of valor...as well.
Barber wrote:The GOP has long prided itself of being "Law and Order", but only when it was convenient for them.
of course, another fine, accurate account of reality ?
Thank you for the truth, Steve.
Barber wrote:In a small way I applaud them for reducing their double standard enough to attack one of their major constituencies.
it is amazing how stupid you know they are. This could be the begining of their end! Huzzah!
Barber wrote:It is similar, as you point out, to a scenario in which Dems suggested a similar investigation of the AFL/CIO.
no, that wasn't on my mind at all when i wrote the post.
nothing in the satire i offered to you spelled out, "but they do it too", either.
both were inferences, your conclusions, logical or assumed, from the text.
Barber wrote: In this case, however, I have been waiting for a mistake of this magnitude, knowing it was coming just not the degree or character of the mistake.
yes this will certainly crush them. I haven't read the paper today; are they dead yet ?
Barber wrote:The mistake is a political one, not one of legality. And it does strongly reek of payback -- there are hundreds of other organizations, tax exempt ones, which politic on a regular basis and even employ hundreds of lobbyists. Why single out the AARP and leave the rest untouched? Why, specifically, in circumstances related to legislation you loathe?
well, with any luck, the dems will join in all reasonable prosecution or adjustment to the situation.
it is just awful that the reps only care to uphold the law "when it was (is) convenient"; only when republicans are being raped, robbed or killied will they lift a finger or raise a brow.
Barber wrote:Lastly, the GOP is not a cult. You misrepresent my previous posts. I likened the Tea Party to a cult, not the GOP.
and of course thank you again steve, for offering clarification of my error,
and for repeating a most objective, accurate and logicaly descriptive word.
"cult" for "tea party".
we can always depend on you for the truth . your journalistic training and ethics are manifest again.
yep; it's aaall about the truth.
Barber wrote: The current and new congress is showing every sign of an unwillingness to compromise -- compromise being the fundamental hallmark of a democracy. In fact, this has been trumpeted as a virtue by many of them, when in reality it's exactly the opposite. When tact and diplomacy are required, you don't send in ideologues who refuse to talk unless the opposition capitulates to everything.
"tact and diplomacy" ?
this is politics. they are a cult and they filibuster, we are saints and don't show for a quorum.
they stop us from saving humanity and we stop them from eating our babies.
Barber wrote: Are Dems playing the fool in many cases, you betcha. But I find it particularly troubling that the debate is reduced to "well, but they do it too" when that isn't even a point on the table.
It's as if I noted that "the sun arose this morning" and your response is "Yeah, stupid sun. Just like the moon rose last night. Don't you think the moon was equally wrong?"
aside from the "we're mostly good, they're mostly bad" rhetorical retread action goin' on in the rest of your post, this bit is a pretty cool retread of a long past complaint.
always get a kick out of analogies.
try this one:
is it as if you might note; "there's that fuk'n sun again; you know, melanoma is the most common form of cancer?"
and you may suggest my response might be; "yeah but the full moon brings out the werewolves" ("well, but they do it too")
but i might as likely respond "oh, steve; the sun wants to help you grow, the cancer is not the main intent, shit happens."
of course, there may not be as much political traction in;
"plants and animals need the sun; don't hog the light, ass"
"the moon lights our way at night, drives the tide and life itself, some people suck"
pehaps it is better to concentrate only on cults, "they only do the right thing for the wrong reasons", etc. ?
don't get mired up in facts and logic alone, that is too confusing, and people lie.
it's all about the passion, that's what moves people.
yes, the truth of where best to focus hate and fear.
The Truth. yeah, that's the ticket.
all the best to you and yours
Barber wrote:And so on.