Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby Ezra Lb. » Sun May 01, 2011 11:52 am

TEAHAD!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cLxQ4B2 ... r_embedded

No, no racism there!



Whatever god you believe in, pray that the Republicans are stupid enough to run Michelle Bachmann against Obama.

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Postby Chuck Messer » Sun May 01, 2011 11:59 am

I saw that first video.





Great zombie Jesus.




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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby FrankChurch » Mon May 02, 2011 5:15 pm

Great new book by John Nichols of the Nation, called The S-word. It lays out the amazing history of socialism in our republic and how it transformed so much of our society. Both Thomas Paine and Abe Lincoln admired socialism.

Let's remember, A. Philip Randolph, one of our great African American civil rights people, close friends with MLK and a socialist. MLK admired Karl Marx as well.

An advisor to LBJ on the Great Society program was a socialist. Socialism is as American as apple pie. Love us.

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Postby Steve Evil » Tue May 03, 2011 12:33 pm

Former socialists are now the Official Opposition in the great white north. . .

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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby FrankChurch » Tue May 03, 2011 5:34 pm

They elected the conservatives, but they are learning.

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Thank goodness for democracynow, or the whole media would be a lovefest for death.

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Postby Ezra Lb. » Wed May 04, 2011 2:29 pm

I think they knew exactly what they were doing Frank.

No way they were going to capture Osama. Can you imagine what a circus the trial would have been assuming there even was one? Because of the incompetence of Bush and the current Congress and Obama's unwillingness to do what's necessary to correct the situation at Guantanamo more than likely Osama would have spent years in limbo with the other detainees, attracting attention and inspiring his followers.

So they smoked him. And who will weep? If there ever was a guy who had a date with a cap it was that evil fucker. What dampens my enthusiam is what we've done to ourselves through our response to 9/11. Not least of which is lose our faith in our own system of justice.
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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby Moderator » Wed May 04, 2011 2:42 pm

Ezra Lb. wrote:Not least of which is lose our faith in our own system of justice.


Halleluh, brother. I've tried explaining this point to conservatives, but they are -- in large portions -- more interested in hanging people now, rather than risk trial by jury.

In the old west, they called that mob rule. And not affectionately.
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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby FrankChurch » Wed May 04, 2011 3:42 pm

Barber, I saw this article in Foreign Policy magazine and flipped. Luckily it is on the online version. It is about copyrights and it doesn't look pretty for your side:

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2 ... se_villain

We use the Department of Homeland Security to search out copyright violators for Disney and other companies because copyright violation hurts the homeland. Good lord. He also gives the short history of copyright, starting with Thomas Jefferson, who favored 14 years of protection. Thanks to Clinton, in 1998 he extended it huge. Disney lobbies congress to go after violators who are mostly developing countries--you know, some poor farmer who makes extra cash selling knock off Mickey Mouse shirts. A great way to lose precious military funds (ha) and hurt developing countries, which will make already poor people poorer.

This is why I say amend the laws.

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Postby Lori Koonce » Wed May 04, 2011 3:58 pm

Frank

If we just enforced the laws we have, then we wouldn't have to amend them. Think about this for a moment: For every farmer there are far more Chineese and Rusian people getting rich off of copying our music, software and movies and selling them back to us.

I know, lets just re program the American mind. It is just as effective, and when we quit wanting cheap ways to entertain ourselves then this is all a totally moot point.

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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby diane bartels » Wed May 04, 2011 5:17 pm

Frank do u ever just let anything go once just let it slide off your back Be the duck Frank I know you can do it. Let the water slide. See.... doesnt that feel better? The world still turns without you or me or Barack or Osama or even HE to turn it. U aint gotta make it bout something to post here; u can just talk, like we do. Or make about something diff. What have you been doing lately? etc. See its nice, it works, its tranquil and freeing. ty Diane

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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby Moderator » Wed May 04, 2011 9:46 pm

Thanks Diane, but I can handle this.

Frank - There's a long history of protecting individual rights in this country, so I'll make this simple.

Theft is inexcusable in civilized society.

I own the right to ... and can determine for myself what happens with ... my own property. I own what I do artistically.

Keep your fucking hands off.

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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby FinderDoug » Thu May 05, 2011 9:41 am

Frank -

If Joe Smith of Hoboken posts a Harlan Ellison story for free on his blog without the author's permission, is that okay?
If Joe decides to mass-produce a chapbook of the same story and sell it, is that okay?
If Joe decides to rip a copy of The Lion King from DVD and post it for free on his blog, is that okay?
If Joe mass-produces DVD copies of The Lion King and sells them by the 7-11 in downtown Hoboken, is that okay?

[Hint - if the same answer does not apply in all four cases, your internal logic contains a gross inconsistency.]

NOW:
Substitute "Debuck Sarahanti" for "Joe Smith", "Bombay" for "Hoboken". Do any of your Yes/No answers above change?

some poor farmer who makes extra cash selling knock off Mickey Mouse shirts


If he doesn't understand this is wrong - and in international terms, I'm willing to give a first-time benefit of the doubt on ignorance of the law - then I'm all for polite cease and desist and education in the legality of such things before going full metal lawyer.

But now I'm curious (Jesus help the little children) - Frank, how would you amend the law?

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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby Steve Evil » Thu May 05, 2011 12:18 pm

I had quite alot to say on the Bin Laden episode that actually had very little to do with Bin Laden, but forgot most of it at the pub.

I think it was about how unpopular the very idea of rule of law has become. As in, a set of principals to govern our behaviour in all cases and not just when we're in the mood for it.

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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby FrankChurch » Thu May 05, 2011 12:54 pm

Dougles, amend the law, make it go back to fifty years of copyright protection. Nobody needs 150 years of protection before it hits the public domain.

Stuff that has socio/political value should have more leeway when getting streamed.

You could have a system where if I wanted to stream that Chomsky, CNBC video I could challenge NBC to offer it themselves within a certain period. If they don't then I can legally stream it as long as I don't make money from it.

If Prince wanted to never release a bootleg, I could offer it as a download or stream, as long as I didn't sell it.

According to Ha-joon Chang South Korea would not have developed if they didn't sell knockoff clothes, movies, posters, hand bags. They even ripped off computers, taking them apart and putting their names on them.

You have two choices--extreme poverty or more protection for Disney.

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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby FrankChurch » Thu May 05, 2011 12:55 pm

We make up the rule of law as we go.

We should just concede that we are the mafia and that we can do what we want.


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