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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby FinderDoug » Mon Nov 05, 2012 3:21 pm

I have no doubt that the corporate workers here, those computer savvy folk, our Barbers and Dougs, would assure me that this stuff is going on all the time, on a million different levels, and as someone who only sees these things from a ground-view, let my mind wander fanciful.

Paul: Let's start with the good news.

My stints in government defense contracting, in distillate sales for one of the big oil companies, in telephone billing and now in B2B marketing have all served to reinforce one thing to me: a lot of companies with diverse operations will make do with the space they have, and cram disparate operations into whatever space they have. So the situation you describe isn't uncommon, and you may find two very different data-heavy projects going on in the same space that have no bearing on one another, though logic suggests they could be related. I think the curiosity about the environment you describe is natural if you're even the least bit curious about how things work, and what's coincidence versus design, and so on. I also think if you have a 'what if' sort-of mind, you're going to wonder about big piles of personal data HERE, and people working on the inner working of voting machines over THERE, and wonder over the presence of patterns between the two sides. Especially if there's no apparent protocol between the two sides. If data from Side A isn't going over the wall to Side B, when it seems there could in some fashion be a reason it MIGHT, then a flight of fancy isn't a weird thing. Curiosity in such a thing is, I'd posit, very natural, but the odds are that it's a matter of two very different segments of the same company using space they're already paying for to accomplish separate things.

And there's a LOT of data being collected and used for different purposes. What's collected and stored and processed and resold and re-resold has exploded. And most of that is for good old-fashioned consumer-driven advertising, enticement and corporate money-making. We the people have, for the most part, taken this in stride. We buy something consumable at the store, and we get a register coupon for the same item three visits later. We sign up for something and will receive like-threaded deals and offers for months or years to come; and so on. By now, we've become desensitized to it. We might think about how it's all connected, but only in passing. Maybe when the store spits out a coupon for, say, the same razor blades you bought three weeks ago, you may wonder what ELSE is in the database; how it's tied to you via a credit or debit card; whether all your purchases for that card are in some master database; whether other stores have a similar data dump, and whether they connect, and so on. But a lot of people take their coupon, go "Huh. Okay, cool" (because have you SEEN the price of razor blades?) and move on.

That's the good news: this sort of thing goes on quite a bit in big business and usually without nefarious intent.

And now, the bad news:

1) The Government loves data, but needs to be watched like a kid in a candy store. A stupid kid that thinks you can eat the lollypop stick and all. Just ask Brandon Mayfield. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandon_Mayfield

2) Story in the UK Progressive, in which former NSA analyst Michael Duniho looks at weird election statistical anomalies and discovers mathematical reasons to be very, very concerned about Ohio and other locations tomorrow:

http://www.ukprogressive.co.uk/breaking ... 20598.html

Takeaways: 1) Any government body authorizing the use of a voting machine that comes with the restriction from the manufacturer that they cannot review it, validate it, or know how it works should be impeached en toto for being a complete and utter moron; 2) anyone looking to manipulate information is counting on the idea that the electorate that doesn't research and often votes against its own interests based on sound bytes would never bother to look into the guts of how a voting machine's software works; 3) I think "obtaining" one and cracking it to see just how it does what it does would be one of those noble illegal acts.

Given just those two bits above? I think there's a lot less that can be classed as paranoia in the digital age - which might as well be voodoo to a LOT of the population - where power and control are concerned.

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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby FrankChurch » Thu Nov 08, 2012 9:38 am

Dougles, tell us where the bodies are buried? lol

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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby FinderDoug » Thu Nov 08, 2012 8:13 pm

Don't know much about bodies, Frank, but:

a) I once worked at an IBM facility once that destroyed their collected Top Secret and Above paper waste by wet pulping it in the cafeteria. If you ever want to be put off cream soups...

b) What I learned while investigating the murder of Daniel Pearl at Georgetown would at turns infuriate you and make you weep.

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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby FrankChurch » Fri Nov 09, 2012 3:29 pm

Showtime will be showing a ten part program by Oliver Stone called the secret history of the US. Should be good.

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Glenn Beck and his angry white men and fucking lost it. Hide the guns:

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/b ... ght-it-was

When we say they are dumb they say it is elitism, but half of Americans are now in utter darkness. No, Beck is not a racist. Sureeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby FinderDoug » Fri Nov 09, 2012 6:11 pm

Still wondering where Beck's "big reveal" is on his allegedly well-sourced Benghazi "bombshell" that two major media outlets have proof the military was told to stand down by the White House and are sitting on it. If he was half the journalist (or patriot) he paints himself as, he'd have done it already and single-handedly brought down the biased mainstream.

Don't get me wrong - if it were proven conclusively that the White House told the military to stand down and left four citizens to die, then the entire lot of them needs to be impeached, charged and tried, and there would need to be serious repercussions for media that colluded. Especially if we were, as some allege, funneling weapons through Libya to Syrian rebels and we're trying to keep that in the shadows. But I think Beck, being an opportunist, would have shown us to the flames if it would legitimize him.

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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby FrankChurch » Sat Nov 10, 2012 2:56 pm

Benghazi was more bad intelligence. This is why guys like Andrew Bacevich, who writes for the American Conservative, thinks we should dismantle the CIA.

That's saying something; he's a former colonel and a conservative, not a lefty.

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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby Mark Tiedemann » Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:35 pm

FrankChurch wrote:Benghazi was more bad intelligence. This is why guys like Andrew Bacevich, who writes for the American Conservative, thinks we should dismantle the CIA.

That's saying something; he's a former colonel and a conservative, not a lefty.


Actually, I think a genuine conservative would want the CIA gone.

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Postby Lori Koonce » Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:52 pm

Mark Tiedemann wrote:
FrankChurch wrote:Benghazi was more bad intelligence. This is why guys like Andrew Bacevich, who writes for the American Conservative, thinks we should dismantle the CIA.

That's saying something; he's a former colonel and a conservative, not a lefty.


Actually, I think a genuine conservative would want the CIA gone.


Just a question, but wouldn't they rather get rid of the FBI, you know the agency in charge of "spying" on Americans?

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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby FrankChurch » Mon Nov 12, 2012 6:08 pm

Lookie at how silly the Truthers are trying to take on Amy Goodman:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfKCBTOe_Kg

These morons have a lot in common with the right that lost. They remind me of the anarchists who used to blow up stuff. Fanatics all run in the same pack.

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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby Moderator » Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:47 pm

Not to scare Paul unnecessarily, but just for the record I view Person of Interest's machine as only semi-science fiction.
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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby Ezra Lb. » Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:29 pm

Frank you seem to dwell in some sort of leftist time warp. The 9/11 truthers are about as relevant to the current situation as Erich Van Daniken's Ancient Astronauts. Donald Trump's head exploded a few days ago. Didn't you hear it?

My favorite current conspiracy is how the David Petraeus scandal is a cover for Obama's shenanigans over the Benghazi episode. I haven't quite got down how that was supposed to work yet but dangit it must be true or they couldn't say it on Fox News, right?

I've been on the road a lot lately and since I don't own a TV my favorite way of winding down in the evening in the hotel is to channel surf. You know, to reconnect. Maybe it'll get better. Uh huh. Being as it's right after the election I've really been enjoying Fox. Even they keep the stone fruit loops to late at night and some of these folks... well, as you can imagine they are REALLY REALLY disappointed that Obama won. I heard a dead ass serious discussion about how Obamacare is the greatest threat to liberty since Stalin. And the constant refrain about how Obama is a "leftist" and/or a "socialist". And he's sympathetic to Muslims, etc etc etc. I know my relatives back down south don't get their news anywhere else but imagine the millions of people all over this country who get a constant diet of that stuff. The lunatic fringe has been mainstreamed.

Now friends I am hardly what you would call a suave or a partyboy but I have been around a drunken woman or two in my life. And it appeared to me that Diane Sawyer might, just might have had a leeetle buzz going on election night. Not judging, it did liven up the joint. Poor George Stephanopolous (sp?) alternated looks of bemusement and preparing to run like hell. I must say she is one hot 65 year old.

The election postmortem continues among conservatives. I was surprised to see there were some neurons firing. Bill Cristal opined that they should call Obama's bluff, agree to let the Bush tax cuts expire on rich folks and force the issue on spending cuts in exchange. Of course not all of the Right are even that smart. Most are still in denial. I think that they really had convinced themselves that Romney would win. Some genuine despair. A dangerous time. I hope the Secret Service is on the ball. And of course

http://www.christianpost.com/news/texas ... end-84835/

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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby FrankChurch » Wed Nov 14, 2012 1:59 pm

Oliver Stone skewers our love affair with Generals:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxabVTZZOZw

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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby FrankChurch » Thu Nov 15, 2012 3:23 pm

Sick, perverted, twisted, insane Israel:

http://www.democracynow.org/2012/11/15/ ... l_moderate

I see what they are doing now. Kill the moderates and you can just take more land. Yea, it's worked so far. I hope Obama finally gets some spine on this subject. He cannot sit by and watch Israel drench Gaza in blood.

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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby Moderator » Thu Nov 15, 2012 6:03 pm

Frank

Both sides are behaving brutally. There is no good guy here.
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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby DanielBarron » Thu Nov 15, 2012 7:44 pm

Frank Church "Kill the moderates and you can just take more land."

Israel, actually, withdrew entirely from Gaza in 2005 only to receive over 10,000 rockets fired at its population centres since. To call Jabari a moderate is indeed a sick perverted joke. He has several hundred murdered civilian's blood on his hands.

Barber "Both sides are behaving brutally. There is no good guy here."

Israel has been directly attacked thousands of times from Gaza and their response has been relatively tame compared to how others might respond. The U.S., for example, has been directly attacked exactly once since WW II on 9/11 yet has invaded several nations and slaughtered hundreds of thousands of civilians: Vietnamese, Koreans, Iraqis, etc. By comparison, it is extremely arguable that Israel is far more justified in its actions.

Meanwhile, over in Syria where not a dozen people were killed recently as in Gaza but at least 30,000 killed in the last year (a far greater number of casualties than those on BOTH sides in the last 65 years of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict) and you never hear a single peep about that hell-hole on this site. Apparently, Arab deaths are only worth noting if they are killed while trying to murder Israeli civilians. If anything is "sick, perverted, twisted and insane", that is.


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