THE PAVILION ANNEX

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Re: THE PAVILION ANNEX

Postby FinderDoug » Wed Aug 13, 2014 4:24 pm

Knowing Harlan's state of mind and his world renowned lack of patience I thought all those calls might set him off. Good to see he took it all in stride.
Frank, you may have just put a face to something I've been trying to quantify for an essay about all of this that's been brewing all day. Apologies in advance.

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I haven't called; I've been absolute shit for processing grief since my father died, to the point anxiety over discussing it makes me the living equivalent of an unoiled set of pistons when I try. I figured the last thing he needed in his phone queue was a conversational rutabaga. I'm dropping a note in the mail tomorrow instead, to let him and Susan know Peggy and I are thinking of them.

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Re: THE PAVILION ANNEX

Postby FrankChurch » Wed Aug 13, 2014 4:25 pm

I'm glad I could help.

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Postby FrankChurch » Wed Aug 13, 2014 5:54 pm

We care for you Lori.

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Re: THE PAVILION ANNEX

Postby Ezra Lb. » Wed Aug 13, 2014 8:22 pm

It's not "bugging" to show support to a friend. "Bugging" would be if I tried to contact him.

Frank what you seem to lack is any sense of proportion or tact. If you have to say everything you think, well that's what twitter seems to be for.


Lots going on obviously but let's take a minute to welcome Keendawg who has recently joined our merry band. Welcome! Beer's in the fridge. Flak jacket's are in the closet. Make yourself to home.
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Re: THE PAVILION ANNEX

Postby Keendawg » Wed Aug 13, 2014 8:58 pm

Ezra Lb. wrote:

Lots going on obviously but let's take a minute to welcome Keendawg who has recently joined our merry band. Welcome! Beer's in the fridge. Flak jacket's are in the closet. Make yourself to home.



It's just me Ezra. Not trying to be deceptive. I thought everyone would catch it. I've been referred to by this ridiculous sobriquet for forever. But since I'm too thick to figure out how I futzed up my account, I now have a new one.

You're a nice man.

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Re: THE PAVILION ANNEX

Postby Chuck Messer » Wed Aug 13, 2014 11:09 pm

Well, I've gotten the gist of what Limbaugh had to say about Robin Williams. All I can say is, when they find his bloated, pustulent corpse on the toilet, on the floor (in a pool of his own vomit), or in a Carribean brothel (in a pool of his own vomit and a fistful of viagra), the line of people who waiting to piss on his grave will be so long they'll have to give out numbers.

"NUMBER 1,782?"

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Postby Chuck Messer » Wed Aug 13, 2014 11:10 pm

Oh, and welcome back, Dawg.

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Re: THE PAVILION ANNEX

Postby Mark Tiedemann » Thu Aug 14, 2014 6:48 am

A Rush Limbaugh story:

Many years ago, back in the late 80s, I worked at a small lab that had changed hands. The new owner was a shallow, simple-minded refugee from Happy Days who still pined for drive-ins, curb service, and cheerleaders. Likeable in the way of slightly unruly dogs, but all his higher functions were cliche-driven. He had never spent any time to speak of around someone like me and after a few months, apparently, he began to feel intimidated. And, to his credit, curious.

We had many political discussions in the shop---it was that kind of place---and he had no ammo in his bandolier, so to speak. So in order to "catch up" he looked around for a source and found----

RUSH LIMBAUGH

Whom he began listening to daily.

Mind you, he liked the Fifties. He thought of them as America's Golden Age. The irony is, his mother, whom he compared to Mrs. Cleaver, was a brain fry because of the sedatives her doctor prescribed her back in the Fifties and Sixties for her "anxiety." The best I can figure, she had a brain and nothing to use it on and was a very unhappy woman. As with many others back then, her (male) doctor just thought she needed to calm down, find herself in housework, so here, take these Miltowns and go away. After a decade of that she was effectively lobotomized. I pointed this out to him once as an example of how wonderful the fucking Fifties were, but he shunted it off into a siding and ignored the point.

As he pretty much did with all my critiques of the Fifties.

He learned to like Rush. And because he was the owner, we all listened to Rush (and then later G. Gordon Liddy's show) and our boss thought he was gleaning cutting edge political philosophy from him.

Till I started disassembling the fat fuck every day.

Did the guy tune in someone else, someone more liberal? (I have no idea who that would have been---talk radio then was the almost exclusive preserve of the growing neocon blight.) Did he read any of the books I tried to loan him? No, he doubled-down and found even more virulent and vitriolic assholes to drink kool-aid with.

I realized that he really wanted Limbaugh to be right, because it would have meant he was right---right to fear blacks and the changing economy and Democrats and all the stuff he frankly did not and could not understand. Limbaugh touched a strain of resentment in him that pined for the Fifties and American Whiteness and big cars and the Miracle Mile and Buddy Holly. He had enjoyed his childhood and adolescence (he'd been one of the "in" guys, you see) and he hated having the faults of his era shown to him. The fact that his mother was made into an idiot because there was so little for an intelligent woman to do rubbed him raw---she'd cleaned house wearing pearls and that somehow meant everything had been fine.

I had four years of listening to Rush and deconstructing him for this twit. It was hard for me to believe worse would come along later. These people make money on electro-shocking the resentments of people who do not want to think and, more, do not want to feel responsible for having some kind of a good life that cost someone else a miserable life. "I worked hard and made it, how come that lazy so-n-so won't?"

Rush himself is a resentful toad. He looks at Robin Williams and see someone who means so much more to so many more people than Rush ever will and for what? Stupid jokes and buffoonery? "Being kind?" What kind of legacy is that when the cockroaches are destroying civilization? Not realizing, of course, that he, Rush, is the cockroach and Williams really was civilization at its finest.

It embarrasses me to my core that there is a statue of that shit in my state capitol. "Famous Missourian" my ass.

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Re: THE PAVILION ANNEX

Postby Keendawg » Thu Aug 14, 2014 7:06 am

Chuck Messer wrote:...the line of people who waiting to piss on his grave will be so long they'll have to give out numbers.

"NUMBER 1,782?"

Chuck


Yeah, when I left the Navy I promised myself I'd never stand in line again.

Mark Tiedemann wrote:
Till I started disassembling the fat fuck every day.


I wouldn't go so far as to call the brother fat. I mean he got a weight problem. What's a motherfucker gonna do, he's a Talk Show Host.

I've always thought Rush was on a shadow payroll. Someone is motivating his dub as financially. He'll say anything for a buck fiddy. He speaks to a large block of under-educated listeners who need to be told how to think and what to do and ESPECIALLY who to vote for.

I think I'm going to go ahead and finish many of my sentences with prepositions is.

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Re: THE PAVILION ANNEX

Postby Keendawg » Thu Aug 14, 2014 7:09 am

Mark Tiedemann wrote:
It embarrasses me to my core that there is a statue of that shit in my state capitol. "Famous Missourian" my ass.


Wait! What?! Oh, that is embarrassing. And odious. And poorly thought out. And guess what fat fuck is getting too much air time in here?

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Postby Moderator » Thu Aug 14, 2014 7:58 am

First, being a person who has fought a weight problem for two decades now, I really resent the term "fat" fuck being tossed around as an epithet. He's a fuck.

Secondly, Mark's post hits my favored point regarding much of the conservative rhetoric these days (and I truly wish Robert Nason was here to provide the counterpoint).

Do you all remember the invention on the TV show Bewitched when the daughter...I forget the character's name...was a toddler and could not perform witchcraft, but instead simply wished for things and they would happen? They called it Wishcraft.

And an angry form of that seems to be behind quite a bit of what we see from the far right these days, reality doesn't need to be considered, the mindset seems to be if they deny facts and reality their fondest wishes for this country would come true. (Climate change, Obama's heritage and citizenry, immigration, taxation and government debt, etc.)

It all seems to stem from a stylized -- and televised -- ideal reality as presented by Leave It to Beaver, Father Knows Best and other idealic Americas which never, actually, existed.

The future they wish for is part Beverly Hillbillys, part Father Knows Best, part Gunsmoke and part Rat Patrol...all with a generous serving of the Moral Majority as a guiding principle.
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Re: THE PAVILION ANNEX

Postby Mark Tiedemann » Thu Aug 14, 2014 8:17 am

My apologies for the insensitive use of a size epithet.

(May I say, though, that while some folks have a weight problem others exemplify the epithet even if they're anorexic. That said, there are better ways to express that opinion and I do humbly beg the pardon of this board.)

Barber, the kid's name was Tabitha.

And further to your point, there is a belief among such people that the problems of which they complain are not, as "liberals" tend to see it, systemic, but entirely the fault of lazy, unpatriotic, envious people who just "want what we have." After all, how can there be anything wrong with the system that has provided me with the largess of a life I love? Has to be 'cause those folks over there just don't want to be responsible for their own look-out. It's akin to wanting to blame drug addiction and alcoholism entirely on a lack of will or moral failing rather accept any sliver of onus that maybe there is another reason for it and that we might have the change something to address the problem. "Don't bother me with your poverty issues, there's a game on!"

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Postby Moderator » Thu Aug 14, 2014 8:37 am

And further to your point, there is a belief among such people that the problems of which they complain are not, as "liberals" tend to see it, systemic, but entirely the fault of lazy, unpatriotic, envious people who just "want what we have." After all, how can there be anything wrong with the system that has provided me with the largess of a life I love?


Despite the fact that a good many of those believers believe the "lazy, unpatriotic, envious folks" are keeping the Believers from becoming rich and successful.

In other words, they're being told the only thing between themselves and a beautiful life are the people who are taking it from them.

And they're buying it. From ultra wealthy pundits who make more money the more they convince the poor it's somebody else's fault. :roll:
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Postby Moderator » Thu Aug 14, 2014 8:42 am

Mark Tiedemann wrote:(May I say, though, that while some folks have a weight problem others exemplify the epithet even if they're anorexic. That said, there are better ways to express that opinion and I do humbly beg the pardon of this board.)


If I may ask, since you essentially double down on the word here, why fat is an epithet even if applied to an anorexic? Is there something in overweightness that is inherently useful as a way to express disdain?
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Re: THE PAVILION ANNEX

Postby Mark Tiedemann » Thu Aug 14, 2014 9:33 am

To all,

I see that my "apology" was laden with self-justifications. I let slip something that is inherently offensive. Even though I intended it to apply directly and exclusively to one person, the nature of the insult has more universal connotations and I waffled on owning my offense.

I apologize.


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