THE PAVILION ANNEX

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Re: THE PAVILION ANNEX

Postby Steve Evil » Thu Oct 07, 2010 1:14 pm

Ezra Lb. wrote:Thank you, K.



Sometimes fraternity and liberty may be enemies. And "the people" become a tyrant and a monster.


Sometimes. But sometimes not. And those are moments worth singing about. . .

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Re: THE PAVILION ANNEX

Postby Ezra Lb. » Fri Oct 08, 2010 4:02 pm

Steve Evil wrote:
Ezra Lb. wrote:Thank you, K.



Sometimes fraternity and liberty may be enemies. And "the people" become a tyrant and a monster.


Sometimes. But sometimes not. And those are moments worth singing about. . .


Absolutely but you can't build a society predicated on that.

I curse all utopias.
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Re: THE PAVILION ANNEX

Postby cynic » Sat Oct 09, 2010 3:41 am

"By the way, who knows what the badge-like object on the left is?"

"A Captain Midnight decoder badge!"

way to go chuck!
http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/c ... oder-badge
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Re: THE PAVILION ANNEX

Postby cynic » Sat Oct 09, 2010 3:47 am

http://www.otr.com/cm_archives.shtml

don't think i ever heard these.
recommendations anyone?
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Re: THE PAVILION ANNEX

Postby Moderator » Sat Oct 09, 2010 6:46 am

cynic wrote:"A Captain Midnight decoder badge!"



D-R-I-N-K-Y-O-U-R-O-V-A-L-T-I-N-E


Oh, wait. That was Little Orphan Annie...
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Re: THE PAVILION ANNEX

Postby cynic » Sat Oct 09, 2010 6:59 am

i don't know,
but by the link, some of the captain was sponsored by o-v-a-l-t-i-n-e as well,
and may have gotten a similar treatment ?
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Re: THE PAVILION ANNEX

Postby FrankChurch » Sat Oct 09, 2010 12:06 pm

Ezra, utopia is prevented by force of the state/economic sector, the ruling class. We actually should stop using terms like rich. They are the ruling class. They run our lives. We are the bitches on the corner.

To heck with utopia, just give us a decent society.

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Re: THE PAVILION ANNEX

Postby Kafkahead » Sun Oct 10, 2010 4:33 am

Well, I'm with the Strugatsky Brothers on this one. I remind myself of the ending litany of "Roadside Picnic" to define what we want in general:

"I am an animal. You can see that. I don't have the words. They didn't teach me the words; I don't know how to think. The bastards didn't let me learn how to think. But if you really are... All-powerful...All-knowing...Then you figure it out! Look into my heart!I know everything you need from me is there. It has to be. I never sold my soul to anyone! It's mine! It's human! You take it from me what is it I want...It just can't be that I would want something bad! Damn it all. I can't think anything else, but those words of his... 'Happiness for everybody! Free! And no one will go away unsatisfied!'"

For a bit of contextualization, let me remind you that the character speaking this is talking to a Wish-granting sphere.

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Re: THE PAVILION ANNEX

Postby robochrist » Sun Oct 10, 2010 8:31 pm

The Strugatskys??

THAT'S an interesting allusion!

In the Russian sf genre, I never ventured past Lem and Tarkovsky.

Fascinating but turgid they tend to be, hence my short flirtation with that region.

Still, that was a good reference.

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Re: THE PAVILION ANNEX

Postby Moderator » Sun Oct 10, 2010 8:49 pm

Rob, if you haven't read the Strugatsky Brothers, get thee over to your nearest used bookstore and threaten them bodily until they order one for you.
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Re: THE PAVILION ANNEX

Postby robochrist » Sun Oct 10, 2010 10:12 pm

About 70% of my reading preference is decidedly in non-fiction, but I'll check it out.

Does it have to be a USED bookstore?

I'm on a budget, and I'd prefer to spend more money!

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Re: THE PAVILION ANNEX

Postby Ezra Lb. » Mon Oct 11, 2010 7:40 am

Did someone mention the Strugatsky bros?

Now you're talking!

Alas they are mostly out of print in these United States so you will have to do some searching. But it's worth it. I prefer them to Lem myself.

Allow me to recommend:

ROADSIDE PICNIC (The Strugatskys and Tarkovsky turned this excellent novella into a, well not so good movie called STALKER.)
HARD TO BE A GOD
FAR RAINBOW

A trip to Amazon will be extremely depressing. Better to go to BOOKFINDER.

http://www.bookfinder.com/search/?autho ... t=sr&ac=qr

I wish I had never read them so I could go back and discover them all over again! Everything SF should be and mostly ain't.
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Re: THE PAVILION ANNEX

Postby Ezra Lb. » Mon Oct 11, 2010 7:57 am

Hey K! In the spirit of intercultural exchange here's one for you.

Thomas Ligotti

He's an American who is considered to be nominally a "horror writer" although his work is light years in the other direction from people like Stephen King. Philosophically he's a descendent of Lovecraft (but no tentacled vaginas) but he draws much of his influence from eastern europeans like Bruno Schultz.

I have no idea of his availability in europe but since he's a small press author here I suspect you might have some difficulty. But completely worth it.

Look for his short story collection THE SHADOW AT THE BOTTOM OF THE WORLD or a collection called TEATRO GROTTESCO. These are in print here anyway.
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Re: THE PAVILION ANNEX

Postby Kafkahead » Mon Oct 11, 2010 9:11 am

Mmmm....Will definitely search for him, Ezra. I've got my eye on both "Riddley Walker" and "A Canticle for Leibowitz" at the time, though.

Here's one for you, Ezra, and for all the others, of course. "Lisboa Triunfante" by David Soares. Picture the history of Lisbon as the result of the constant conflict between two entities, the Fox and the Lizard, and then think of the centuries of growth that built the History of Portugal's capital, from the Neolithic to Modern Times.
It's an interesting read, with analysis on the themes of glory and mortality on Camões's Epic "Os Lusíadas" as an appetizer. I suggest you find a translation as soon as possible. The book was written by our equivalent of Alan Moore (albeit with less Sasquatch beard. No offense meant, Alan, if you ever read this :P )

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Re: THE PAVILION ANNEX

Postby swp » Mon Oct 11, 2010 4:48 pm

my only comment on the "filters" issue is this:
I will not read your fucking script
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