THE PAVILION ANNEX

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Postby FrankChurch » Thu Jul 21, 2011 9:03 am

Thanks for finally defending me Steve Evil, albeit mildly. haha.

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The Clinton Foundation was accused of sending diseased trailers to Haiti. Not good day for foundations.

Gates Foundation also uses the foundation for huge tax benefits. Wal-Mart is notorious for this.

Could you imagine if Michael Moore did this: "Yea, I gave this amount to charity, so you are not allowed to criticize me." He would be rightly hanged.

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/2 ... 05415.html

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Diane, honeybear, I support copyright protection, just a different kind.

And, how nice would it be if artists didn't have to worry about the unfair competition of the market in selling themselves.

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Postby Lori Koonce » Thu Jul 21, 2011 12:51 pm

Samuel John Klein wrote:
Lori Koonce wrote:Frank

I know from art snobs, I'm one of 'em IMO. I mean try explaining to the masses why you prefer early Pollack and Warhol over the stuff that made 'em famous without sounding like a snob!


Pollock never moved me, and I was bored by most of the art Warhol created … but mercy, I love reading about Warhol's life. That, to me, was the real work of art that Andy did. That bizarre, take-no-prisoners life he led.

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I've seen what Warhol did when he was drawing for advertisements. The dude had a way of making a shoe look like something amazing!

Pollack's spatter painting is nothing, but our local MOMA has a painting he did before he became famous, and I know it's the same painting, but I'm always finding new things in it. That to me is art.

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Postby FrankChurch » Thu Jul 21, 2011 2:13 pm

People don't create art for monetary reasons alone. If they all thought like that we would never have great art--everything would be in styrofoam boxes, covered by a hot light.

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Postby Moderator » Thu Jul 21, 2011 5:58 pm

FrankChurch wrote:People don't create art for monetary reasons alone. .


Absolutely true.

You would simply refuse them fair recompense under any circumstances. Whether they do it for free, or whether they do it for pay, is up to the artist -- not the public.The public can chose not to meet their price, but it cannot insist the artist simply hand it over like some bandillero holding a gun demanding the stagecoach riders surrender their wallets.
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Postby cynic » Thu Jul 21, 2011 6:10 pm

jan & frank;
(together at last?)
so there's a problem with Chris Thurlow's offer of the 366"hall of weird" induction?
it doesn't appear to be a rating or contain any nasty intent.
what's the problem.
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Postby Ezra Lb. » Thu Jul 21, 2011 8:05 pm

Art?

Back in 2000, shortly after I had moved up here from Atlanta, I caught an exhibition of the work of Spanish Surrealist Remedios Varo (1909 - 1963) at the National Museum of Women in the Arts. I had known nothing about her work. I was lonely, in a new city, not knowing anybody, and searching for some way to spend a rainy Sunday afternoon. I read an interesting sounding blurb about the exhibition in the Post so off I went.

Oh my god. I hope everyone has had the experience at least once in their life of stumbling onto something glorious totally unprepared, without preconception, wide open, blindsided by wonder. I spent an afternoon wondering from gallery to gallery just completely amazed by her work. It turned out to be the last day of the exhibition which was moving on to Chicago before it returned to its permanent home in Mexico City where Varo had fled the fascists and spent the rest of her life.

I purchased the catalog and a couple prints although like a lot of visionary artists her work doesn't really fully translate to prints. Like Van Gogh or William Blake the actual paintings have a quivering shivering power that is lost in translation. I've remained a fan ever since and hope to get to Mexico City one of these days to revisit her work.

She has a little internet presence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remedios_Varo

http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/i ... edios+varo

http://www.remediosvaro.org/
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Postby Ezra Lb. » Thu Jul 21, 2011 8:17 pm

Art?

Back in 2000, shortly after I had moved up here from Atlanta, I caught an exhibition of the work of Spanish Surrealist Remedios Varo (1909 - 1963) at the National Museum of Women in the Arts. I had known nothing about her work. I was lonely, in a new city, not knowing anybody, and searching for some way to spend a rainy Sunday afternoon. I read an interesting sounding blurb about the exhibition in the Post so off I went.

Oh my god. I hope everyone has had the experience at least once in their life of stumbling onto something glorious totally unprepared, without preconception, wide open, blindsided by wonder. I spent an afternoon wondering from gallery to gallery just completely amazed by her work. It turned out to be the last day of the exhibition which was moving on to Chicago before it returned to its permanent home in Mexico City where Varo had fled the fascists and spent the rest of her life.

I purchased the catalog and a couple prints although like a lot of visionary artists her work doesn't really fully translate to prints. Like Van Gogh or William Blake the actual paintings have a quivering shivering power that is lost in translation. I've remained a fan ever since and hope to get to Mexico City one of these days to revisit her work.

She has a little internet presence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remedios_Varo

http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/i ... edios+varo

http://www.remediosvaro.org/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sV_TPGDP0cY
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Postby Samuel John Klein » Thu Jul 21, 2011 8:37 pm

Thanks for sharing that, Ezra. I like being exposed to new artists new and then. Since I'm part of the lower, lower, lower, middle class, there isn't any money to go out and enjoy art in my life. The proles in America don't need art, so we have to get clever to find it.

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Postby FrankChurch » Fri Jul 22, 2011 12:33 pm

Varo is good. Nicccccccccccccccccccccceeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee...

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Postby Lori Koonce » Fri Jul 22, 2011 2:26 pm

Samuel John Klein wrote:Thanks for sharing that, Ezra. I like being exposed to new artists new and then. Since I'm part of the lower, lower, lower, middle class, there isn't any money to go out and enjoy art in my life. The proles in America don't need art, so we have to get clever to find it.

Sam.


You may wanna talk to the local arts counsel or whatever group deals with the museums Sam. Here in SF, the first Tuesday every month the Fine Arts museums open their general collections to the public for free. And the cost to see the special exhibits are kept reasonable.

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Postby reddragon70 » Fri Jul 22, 2011 11:10 pm

Today I am off to London for drink and giggles. I may even make it to the Kew Steam Museum (which apparantly houses the biggest steam beam engine in the world.) Hope you all have a good weekend, I'll see you all upon my return.

Ta ta!

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Postby Samuel John Klein » Sat Jul 23, 2011 9:39 am

Lori Koonce wrote:You may wanna talk to the local arts counsel or whatever group deals with the museums Sam. Here in SF, the first Tuesday every month the Fine Arts museums open their general collections to the public for free. And the cost to see the special exhibits are kept reasonable.


Here in artistic Portland, those have been dismayingly hard to find. However, thanks to a tax levy we all voted in last year, the Oregon Historical Society's museum is now free for all. So we have that, anyway.

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Postby FrankChurch » Sat Jul 23, 2011 12:40 pm

It was a good day.

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Postby cynic » Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:52 pm

yeeees frank;
our very own "energizer parrot", or is it "bunny" ?

whose hole did you pull this from ?

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Frank Church
- Sunday, July 24 2011 12:24:24
Semi-Writer, it means that right wing, white terrorism was being shunted to the side, while we shook in our boots over the Islamo-fascist menace.

There's also the fact that 98 percent of all terror attacks here have been by white people.
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frank;
help us out here; what should we do about this?

you have told us sooo many times that you hate white people; should this be the final proof we need to profile, and pay closest attention to them and their evil selves ?
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"So, that being said, let’s think for ourselves and do some research: exactly what percent of Muslims are terrorists? Well, according to FBI files, which can be accessed through fbi.gov, only 6 percent of terrorists are Muslim. The remaining percentage of terrorist attacks on U.S. territory includes: Latinos at 42 percent, extreme Left Wing groups at 24 percent, Jewish extremists at 7 percent, Communists at 5 percent, and other terrorist organizations at 16 percent."

(for fun, call that last 16% right & white)how many of the 42% would you need to lable white, to fill out your 98% ?
(yes frank, i know, maths be hard)


http://www.dailytitan.com/2010/09/13/on ... re-muslim/
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"RIGHT-WING GROUPS: The most recent swell of extremist violence began to emerge from right-wing militants in the late-1980s and 1990s. According to a 2005 FBI report on terrorism, these groups, which are "primarily in the form of domestic militias and conservative special interest causes, began to overtake left-wing extremism as the most dangerous, if not the most prolific, domestic terrorist threat to the country"

http://www.cfr.org/terrorist-organizati ... ates/p9236
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lots of good stuff here, and nearby.
go wild lil' buddy!
wash your hands, and don't forget your helmet!

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p.s. how's that wonderful big government anarchy thing going ?
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Re: THE PAVILION ANNEX

Postby reddragon70 » Tue Jul 26, 2011 5:57 am

Well, I had a rather fabulous weekend there. I travelled from the rural piece of Dumfries to London. Yep, the big smoke. And I fulfilled a rather long held ambition.... I went to the Kew steam museum. Where they were holding, of all things, a steampunk exhibition.

Now the steampunk thing may not be to everyone's taste but I find it rather intriguing. Mostly because I love Victorian clothes and all things from that era, but also because I do actually rather like China Mieville's Bas Lag books. And they are about as steampunk as it gets! The exhibition was great, lots of weird and wonderful bits and bobs to look at, including a steampunked Darth Vader, appropriately renamed Darth Vapour, electric rifle tesla gun thingumybobs and other stuff. But for me, the best thing..... The Boulton and Watt 90 inch beam engine.

Oh yes!! A beam engine with a 90 inch cylinder! The beam itself was frankly staggering in size. It must have been at least 50 feet long, and made out of cast iron. Plus they actually ran it for a short while. The sounds.... Incredible. An absolutely stunning piece of history and engineering. This thing used to pump 60 million gallons of water a day. And its three floors high! Watching it reminded me of watching Forbidden Planet, the Krell machine, which things flying up and down. Just amazing!

If you're ever in London, get a train to Kew Bridge and go visit the museum. It is frankly breathtaking.


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