Pavilion Digest: January 2007

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Pavilion Digest: January 2007

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The following posts contain Art Deco Dining Pavilion messages for the month of January 2007.

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Discussion of Harlan's Stories

Postby Jan » Mon Jan 01, 2007 5:00 am

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Source: unca20070202.htm
Happy New Year everybody!

If there are any people who would like to exchange thoughts about Harlan's works, why not come over to the S.P.I.D.E.R. Forum (click link to Webderland forums) and tell us what you would like to discuss.

Recent new threads were opened for discussion of stories such as FINAL SHTICK, THE BOULEVARD OF BROKEN DREAMS, and FOOTSTEPS, all of which are not only good reads but also exploding with content worthy of your attention, as well as the essay YOU DON'T KNOW ME, I DON'T KNOW YOU in which Harlan talks about his relationship to fandom. S.P.I.D.E.R. is sanctioned by Harlan, and your opinions are always welcome.


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You don't get to cherry-pick, either, KOS

Postby Anthony Ravenscroft » Mon Jan 01, 2007 7:42 am

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Source: unca20070202.htm
You forgot to speak to the part about "Back during the Gulf War (I), a certain President Bush made it crystal-clear to various disaffected groups all around Iraq that the U.S. stood ready to spring to their aid should they happen to revolt whilst the armies were engaged. A few such revolts happened. The U.S. ceased hostilities so that the Iraqi military could turn its full might against the revolts & smash them bloodily."

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Postby robochrist » Mon Jan 01, 2007 9:33 am

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(recorded at midnight January 1, 2007 from LA County jail on dui charge)

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Postby Alan Coil » Mon Jan 01, 2007 10:02 am

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What year did that happen to you, Rob?

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It's 2007, anybody want to work on 2008?

Postby Moderator » Mon Jan 01, 2007 10:03 am

Name: Steve Barber
Source: unca20070202.htm
(Yeeouch! Please, Rob -- If I hadda hangover, that woulda' hurt!!!)

From the BBC -- travel plans anyone?:

Hundreds of protesters in France have rung in the New Year by holding a light-hearted march against it."

(Read the body of the piece here: )

"They vowed to stage a similar protest on 31 December 2007 on the Champs-Elysees avenue in Paris."

I'm thinkin' a goin'...

(Thank you, Sandra! Glad you liked.)

Harlan's aura made an appearance at our get-together last night. Somehow the topic of writing and painting came up while we were playing a board game (I forget the actual reference, but something about pictures in the library with Ms Scarlett), and Jacek Yerka's name came up -- I kid you not. I asked if anyone had seen MIND FIELDS. One person (other than my wife and me) had, so out it came and made its way around the table, eliciting "oohs" and "ahhs".

(Yes, we were playing "Clue". We all celebrate in our own ways. And, after a few glasses of wine, it's rather interesting game...)

Last and a politically incorrect note. I deeply admire and respect the man and his incredible career, but Dick Clark needs to leave his on-cmera duties to others.


Postby Colleen » Mon Jan 01, 2007 1:22 pm

Name: Colleen
Source: unca20070202.htm
To everyone at Webderland:
Hau'oli Makahiki Hou! May the New Year bring you happiness, laughter, and prosperity!
Cheers, Colleen

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Postby Harlan Ellison » Mon Jan 01, 2007 2:21 pm

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Happy happy to Everyone.

The SuzeMaven & I spent a quiet one together, snuggling.

Rick W.: Tried like hell to get onto the S.P.I.D.E.R. forums to sample some of the goodies thereat, enjoyed the hell out of the first thread, which was #15 -- "The Hour That Stretches" -- but when I went and tried to get on (log in, as you natives say), even with that nifty forum password you devised for me, I was rebuffed again and again and again and ...

Rick, when you get back, give me a call. But not before.

Only when you have an idle moment.

Otherwise, happy happy to you especially, and to Everyone Else.

Now, back to work on the Sturgeon foreword for Volume 11 of the Collected Sturgeon from North Atlantic Books. Been on it since the beginning of last year, it was due 11 December, I'm sweating bullets over it. One of the toughest jobs I've ever had. Worked on it all through Channukah, Christmas, Boxing Day, New Year's Eve. Pulling teeth. Oh me.

Yr. Pal, Harlan

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Postby Roger Gjovig » Mon Jan 01, 2007 2:34 pm

Name: Roger Gjovig
Source: unca20070202.htm
I just got home from seeing the "Rocky Balboa" movie. This is one series I've seen all the movies, good and bad, and I would have to say this is the best one since the first. It looks both forward and back, and indeed finally closes the chapter on this character that certainly has brought a lot of entertainment to the moviegoers sitting tin the seats.

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Question for Harlan: How do you work?

Postby BrianSiano » Mon Jan 01, 2007 5:07 pm

Name: Brian Siano
Source: unca20070202.htm
I know, it's one of the dumbest questions one can ask a writer. I've read descriptions of your work in store windows, and your own accounts of work at home, your drive to hand in a perfect First Draft, whether you rewrite or not... So I'm wondering. If you're working on a story, how does the work go?

Do you mull the idea over until you think you've got it clear in your mind first? When you start work, are there any _really_ rough passes, just to get a few sparkling phrases down before you forget them? Do you work a paragraph over in your mind first, and then commit it to the typewriter when you think you've got it? You've said you don't rewrite these days: does this mean that you really do fire a first-and-final draft into the typewriter, or that the only revisions you make are made _before_ you submit the story?

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Postby Jack Skillingstead » Mon Jan 01, 2007 5:19 pm

Name: Jack Skillingstead
Source: unca20070202.htm
So THAT'S what's been holding up Volume 11. I've been buying those North Atlantic Sturgeon books since the first one, THE ULTIMATE EGOIST. The first Sturgeon story that hooked me for life was SLOW SCULPTURE, which I came across in some anthology when I was a boy. Reading through these beautiful North Atlantic books over the last twelve years or so has been sheer pleasure, not to mention an education. I urge anyone who knows Sturgeon mostly as the guy who wrote MORE THAN HUMAN to get hold of these books and do a full-psyche emersion with one of the best short story writers in or out of sf.

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Postby John Greenawalt » Mon Jan 01, 2007 9:52 pm

Name: John Greenawalt
Source: unca20070202.htm
Charles Dickens had the worst punctuation of them all. He was the only writer who could put 7 commas in a 6 word sentence. And he was dash happy. There are thousands of dashes in a Dickens novel.


Scholars have counted 990 fully drawn characters in his novels. That may be a record.

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Postby Duane » Mon Jan 01, 2007 9:57 pm

Name: Duane
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I was all partied out, and after driving 1800 miles in 6 days to see friends, relatives and countrymen, I decided the right thing to do was to spend New Years' Eve sleeping out in the wilderness in a tent. Solo.

Yeah, I have more than one nut loose, and not just in my pants. It depends on which doctor you ask.

O, how deeply I wished I could have been at some party somewhere last night at 2:00 a.m., instead of laying in my bedroll, scared shitless by the groanings and gruntings of a bear making its way down the creekbed not 50 feet away from where I knew I was going to die. Why, O Lord, did you not bless this section of Your Country with a WalMart, a nuclear waste facility or a porno theater? All three godly options seemed superior to spending thirty minutes wondering if a 300 pound bruin was going to crawl up out of the creekbed and investigate the shivering mass of protoplasm behind the rustling curtain.

Of course, I awoke the next morning (with a backache from that stupid rock I shouldn't have set up the tent over but did anyway) with a smile on my face, with a clearer mind, and a deep gratitude for places that are, as the Wilderness Act, proclaims, "untrammeled by man."

As I lay there, listening to about five hundred owls hoot for their New Years' Day breakfast, I remembered Edward Abbey's immortal words from Desert Solitare:

"From the vicinity of Balanced Rock comes the cry of the great horned owl. Suppertime, for the owl. The mice, squirrels, gophers, rabbits know what I mean. What is he up to? Rather than hunt for his supper the owl seems to be calling his supper to come to him. He calls again and again, always from the same place, not moving, in a voice which seems to come from not one spot alone but--anywhere. A war of nerves. His nervous, timorous prey, terribly insecure, hear that cry and tremble. Where exactly is the owl? Perhaps the next shrub, the next rock, would offer better concealment than this. They hesitate. The great horned owl cries again and a rabbit breaks, dashes for what might be a better place, revealing his position. Quiet as a moth the owl swoops down. (from Desert Solitaire, 1968)"

I've always read that statement from the point of view of the owl. But after last night's restless bear episode, I began to see it from the p.o.v of the mice, squirrels, gophers and rabbits. Happy New Year.

Be The Owl.

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Execution of Saddam Hussein

Postby Michael Gray » Mon Jan 01, 2007 10:09 pm

Name: Michael Gray
Source: unca20070202.htm
I don't really think it would make a difference whether he was executed or not. The death toll in Iraq will continue to escalate even if he hadn't been executed.

Either way, a case would have been made by those who are attempting to have their way, either by killing to gain control, by killing to destabilize, by killing because someone is paying them money to do so, by killing for revenge, the release of Saddam, the death of Saddam, the imprisonment of Saddam, hatred, boredom, occupation by nations other than your own, the creation of arbitrary borders at the end of WWI, and whatever other multifacted driving forces there are that are making a killing of the Iraqi people something of a success.

I also find it ironic that something like 5000 years ago this land was known as Sumeria (Mesopotamia = between two rivers)and was the cradle of lawmaking and written language as best as the archaeologists have been able to determine. Right now, something over 80% of Iraqi people cannot read or write their own language. They had the wheel, domestication of animals, architecture, agriculture, medicine, ledgers for trading and sales.

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Postby Chuck Messer » Mon Jan 01, 2007 10:59 pm

Name: Chuck Messer
Source: unca20070202.htm
Just wanted to pop in and wish everyone a happy new year.

May 2007 smile on us all.


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