Pavilion Digest: November 2008

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Pavilion Digest: November 2008

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The following posts contain Art Deco Dining Pavilion messages for the month of November 2008.

Jim Thomas

Swwet Potatoes

Postby Jim Thomas » Sat Nov 01, 2008 4:43 am

Name: Jim Thomas
Source: unca20081110.htm
Oh, fresh sweet potatoes are the way to go! Bake them just as you would an Idaho potato, then load with butter and brown sugar. Definitely Good Eats. On Thanksgiving, the only things I'm interested in are the turkey, dressing, gravy, and sweet potato casserole.

And, oddly enough, sweet potatoes are better if you are on a low sugar diet, as its carbs are more complex than those of other potatoes. Go figure.

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Postby Jan » Sat Nov 01, 2008 6:02 am

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"On Thanksgiving, the only things I'm interested in are the turkey, dressing, gravy, and sweet potato casserole."
You godless person you!

Steve in the FAIR USE thread at DIAL B:
"And, note, I like that Robby posts links for people to find more of the work if they like it. Nice touch."
Steve, do you realize that people get commissions from Amazon for products sold via such advertisements/banners? It's not only a "nice touch", it's also $$$.
(If anyone needs to go there, the thread is here:

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Postby JosephFinn » Sat Nov 01, 2008 7:35 am

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Rules of the Game, by the way, was a big influence on the excellent Robert Altman movie Gosford Park. Another French movie I can recommend, not New Wave but more recent, is the odd Cache, a movie where I'm still not sure exactly what happened but I do like mulling the possibilities occasionally.

Jon Manzo

Studs Terkel, 1912-2008

Postby Jon Manzo » Sat Nov 01, 2008 8:39 am

Name: Jon Manzo
Source: unca20081110.htm
Amidst all of the election hubub, the news may not make much of a mention of this, but the great Studs Terkel passed away on Friday, age 96. An amazing interviewer and storyteller, a mainstay of Chicago radio for decades, a hilarious public speaker, and all-around nice guy. If you haven't been reading his books, you are missing out. If you haven't heard his interviews, go to to listen to clips.

At age 96, he had a great run, but he was such a vocal critic of W and his cronies that I do wish he had been able to stick around for at least one more week. He was a big fan of Senator Obama, but Studs has always been just slightly to the (radical) left!

Anyway, for anybody interested, the Los Angeles Times has a nice article about Studs online.


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Postby Harlan Ellison » Sat Nov 01, 2008 9:13 am

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Before we began the taping of the interview show he was, at the time smartly co-hosting with Calvin Trillin, I had just come pell-mell from uptown (with the fear that the cops were right behind me), had come from (literally, physically) savaging the executive at Grosset & Dunlap who had refused to recall and pulp the Ace pb editions of SPIDER KISS cover and spine-mislabeled "science fiction."

My editor, at the time, the wonderful Terri Windling, had witnessed the assault in the guy's Executive Country office, and had literally smuggled me out of the building, past Security, down the basement, out the loading dock. I had snagged a cab, and rushed downtown to the studio where Studs, Calvin, Isaac Asimov and Gene Wolfe were waiting to begin the roundtable conversation for the syndicated talk-show.

I arrived in a state. I'd met Studs only once before, briefly, when I was working in Chicago. He knew me, but not so much. Calvin was mesmerized by the street gypsy who had come slamming in and now stood gasping before him, sweating and rolling his eyes. I felt like Jean Valjean.

Studs, Isaac (and to a lesser degree, the most restrained of the group, Gene) anxiously sought an answer to the query, "What the hell happened to YOU?"

I hurlyburly'd an explosive, expletive-bedizened answer, and no less an answer than (actually) blow-by-blow. When I finished, emptied of all and everything, they as a group stared at me, as if a survivor had just come crawling off the beach at Dunkirk and was relating transformational recollection of historic events only a few minutes old.

I just stood there, shaking, finally coming to realize I was likely going to jail in New York City for having physically manhandled a publishing executive. Did I have time to get to La Guardia to catch the next plane to ANYwhere? And Studs Terkel, that Great Man, looked at me and said:

"Kid, you got some real moxie there!"

Aw, Studs, why'd ya have to go an' die.


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Postby Harlan Ellison » Sat Nov 01, 2008 9:14 am

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TRILLIN, not Trllin.

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Postby Susan Ellison » Sat Nov 01, 2008 9:23 am

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Pam Stanfield, Sayward, British Columbia.


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Postby FrankChurch » Sat Nov 01, 2008 9:33 am

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Source: unca20081110.htm
Studs Terkel is a God on our side. This death really hits me. He represented radicalism in the greatest way--with wit and humour and what Harlan said--moxie.

He made radical mainstream, as it is. Radical just means that you have to look under some rocks to find the real truth. What squirms underneath may be ugly, but it has to be reported on--for the sake of honesty. It doesn't make you the cool kid or popular at dinner parties, but it makes you human.

Studs was as human as they come--sadly proving that today.

He obviously didn't want to go through another sad election, if McCain won.

Bless him. There is a heaven and he is there--taking notes.

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Half Price

Postby mrlukeplease » Sat Nov 01, 2008 9:54 am

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Source: unca20081110.htm
Just got back from Half Price Books and did not find any Ellison titles for sale. Haven't seen any for the 10 years I've been going there.

Naturally, I would not buy Harlan's books from a reseller because, you know, no royalties. I was just checking.

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Postby Moderator » Sat Nov 01, 2008 10:27 am

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Dan Compora, in his 'Syfy 101' column at -- this one entitled "When Sci-Fi Becomes Sci-Frightening" -- notes Unca Harlan's contribution to the world's terror quotient.

"It is, however, Harlan Ellisons masterful short story "I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream" that ranks, at least for me, as the most frightening piece of science-fiction literature.

Survivors, trapped in the belly of a hateful, sadistic computer, are subject to the whims of the machine. This 1967 short story has aged surprisingly well, considering the increasing role technology plays in our everyday lives."

The comment is strapped between an appreciation of Robert Louis Stevenson's THE STRANGE CASE OF DR. JEKYLL AND MR. HYDE and a mention of John Carpenter's PRINCE OF DARKNESS.

Yes, Jan, I get it. But I always try to note something good in people even when I don't necessarily agree with them.

(The exception being politicians, of course.)

Last night the weather was quite pleasant here in LB, so a friend came over and the three of us (He, CB, n me) barbequed up some tri tip, wheeled the fire pit around front, and sat around a fire on the front patio distributing candy.

At one point an older gentleman who was escorting his kids (we assumed) around, looked longingly over at our chairs, fir and bottle of wine, and remarked that "THAT is the way to do Halloween". His expression suggested he wanted very much to ditch the kids and pull up a chair...

We lost count, but last night had well over 85 Trick or Treaters, which is down from last year but certainly not bad for our area.

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Postby sjarrett » Sat Nov 01, 2008 12:32 pm

Name: Steve Jarrett
Source: unca20081110.htm
I also remember that Turkel/Wolfe/Asimov/Ellison program. In fact, I'm 95% sure that I have it recorded on an old Betamax tape. (I can't lay my hands on it to be certain because we just moved, and everything is in boxes.) "Nightcap" was a wonderful program in general. One of the things I loved about it was that it began with the participants in mid-conversation. Then Studs would casually look at the camera, invite us in, and turn back to the discussion. At the end of the allotted time, he would again address the camera to bid us farewell, as the conversation rolled on behind him. No time was eaten up with elaborate introductions or a big wrap-up. Instead, one was left with the feeling of having wandered into a room where an intimate group of world-class conversationalists had gathered, and having been invited to sit in and listen. Another highlight of the series was the program with Sid Caesar, Mel Brooks, and Carl Reiner. Wonderful stuff.

So long, Studs. You were the real thing. No complaints here -- you hung in there with us like the champ you are for 96 years -- but we're sure going to miss you.


I'm so glad to hear you mention that connection between THE RULES OF THE GAME and GOSFORD PARK. I was beginning to think I was the only one who noticed it. It seems pretty clear that Altman intended an overt tip of the hat to Renoir, but for some reason the homage is rarely mentioned.

Steve J.

Jim Lewis

Postby Jim Lewis » Sat Nov 01, 2008 4:19 pm

Name: Jim Lewis
Source: unca20081110.htm
To Joseph J. Finn:

Glad to see someone else who likes Michael Haneke's CACHE. Sadly, I've found fans of this film few and far between.

If you liked CACHE, you should really see his other films. THE SEVENTH CONTINENT is mesmerizing. The last half of the film brought me (literally) to the edge of my couch. I found myself leaning forward as if the image was drawing me closer and closer...trying to pull me inside of it. There comes a moment (I won't spoil it for'll know it when you see it) during that second half when a strange feeling of euphoria comes over you, a feeling of freedom and triumph. This feeling is strange only because of the circumstances in which the characters are involved.

Terrific movie. Great director.

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Nifty Flying Blue Monkey

Postby Gwyneth M905 » Sun Nov 02, 2008 1:20 am

Name: Gwyneth M905
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Dear Harlan and other Webderlanders,
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Lori -- e-mail me!
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Postby FrankChurch » Sun Nov 02, 2008 11:08 am

Name: Frank Church
Source: unca20081110.htm
Richard Dreyfuss schools Fox News viewers: ... 385x232163

He is soooooooooo serious. We love you Richard, but lighten up.

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