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Health Care Debate Points -- from the White House, with link

Postby Gwyneth » Thu Aug 13, 2009 11:51 am

Name: Gwyneth
Source: unca20091007.htm
Dear Auntie Susan: Overjoyed to hear you are on the mend and Unca' Harlan's tender ministrations have worked wonders! Keep on fightin' them frog koffs! May they leap as far away the Calaveris County Fair Jumping Frog Jubilee winner! :)

Alex: Congratulations on your upcoming nuptuals! :)

Mary: No, a job isn't too much to ask. Keep swinging, kiddo! :)

To all: keep the faith. Re: the Rosa Parks incident, I ask myself if this is REALLY all about the fact that an African-American man is President. Is this a last-ditch stand by the remnants of the Jim Crow crowd, to scuttle what is possibly the single most important piece of legislation since Social Security?

Ok, back on my soapbox, with love and hope...

8 ways reform provides security and stability to those with or without coverage

1. Ends Discrimination for Pre-Existing Conditions: Insurance companies will be prohibited from refusing you coverage because of your medical history.

2. Ends Exorbitant Out-of-Pocket Expenses, Deductibles or Co-Pays: Insurance companies will have to abide by yearly caps on how much they can charge for out-of-pocket expenses.

3. Ends Cost-Sharing for Preventive Care: Insurance companies must fully cover, without charge, regular checkups and tests that help you prevent illness, such as mammograms or eye and foot exams for diabetics.

4. Ends Dropping of Coverage for Seriously Ill: Insurance companies will be prohibited from dropping or watering down insurance coverage for those who become seriously ill.

5. Ends Gender Discrimination: Insurance companies will be prohibited from charging you more because of your gender.

6. Ends Annual or Lifetime Caps on Coverage: Insurance companies will be prevented from placing annual or lifetime caps on the coverage you receive.

7. Extends Coverage for Young Adults: Children would continue to be eligible for family coverage through the age of 26.

8. Guarantees Insurance Renewal: Insurance companies will be required to renew any policy as long as the policyholder pays their premium in full. Insurance companies won't be allowed to refuse renewal because someone became sick.

Learn more and get details: http://www.WhiteHouse.gov/health-insura ... otections/

8 common myths about health insurance reform

1. Reform will stop "rationing" - not increase it: Its a myth that reform will mean a "government takeover" of health care or lead to "rationing." To the contrary, reform will forbid many forms of rationing that are currently being used by insurance companies.

2. We cant afford reform: It's the status quo we can't afford. Its a myth that reform will bust the budget. To the contrary, the President has identified ways to pay for the vast majority of the up-front costs by cutting waste, fraud, and abuse within existing government health programs; ending big subsidies to insurance companies; and increasing efficiency with such steps as coordinating care and streamlining paperwork. In the long term, reform can help bring down costs that will otherwise lead to a fiscal crisis.

3. Reform would encourage "euthanasia": It does not. Its a malicious myth that reform would encourage or even require euthanasia for seniors. For seniors who want to consult with their family and physicians about end-of life decisions, reform will help to cover these voluntary, private consultations for those who want help with these personal and difficult family decisions.

4. Vets' health care is safe and sound: Its a myth that health insurance reform will affect veterans' access to the care they get now. To the contrary, the President's budget significantly expands coverage under the VA, extending care to 500,000 more veterans who were previously excluded. The VA Healthcare system will continue to be available for all eligible veterans.

5. Reform will benefit small business - not burden it: Its a myth that health insurance reform will hurt small businesses. To the contrary, reform will ease the burdens on small businesses, provide tax credits to help them pay for employee coverage and help level the playing field with big firms who pay much less to cover their employees on average.

6. Your Medicare is safe, and stronger with reform: Its myth that Health Insurance Reform would be financed by cutting Medicare benefits. To the contrary, reform will improve the long-term financial health of Medicare, ensure better coordination, eliminate waste and unnecessary subsidies to insurance companies, and help to close the Medicare "doughnut" hole to make prescription drugs more affordable for seniors.

7. You can keep your own insurance: Its myth that reform will force you out of your current insurance plan or force you to change doctors. To the contrary, reform will expand your choices, not eliminate them.

8. No, government will not do anything with your bank account: It is an absurd myth that government will be in charge of your bank accounts. Health insurance reform will simplify administration, making it easier and more convenient for you to pay bills in a method that you choose. Just like paying a phone bill or a utility bill, you can pay by traditional check, or by a direct electronic payment. And forms will be standardized so they will be easier to understand. The choice is up to you and the same rules of privacy will apply as they do for all other electronic payments that people make.

Learn more and get details:
http://www.WhiteHouse.gov/realitycheck
http://www.WhiteHouse.gov/realitycheck/faq

8 Reasons We Need Health Insurance Reform Now

1. Coverage Denied to Millions: A recent national survey estimated that 12.6 million non-elderly adults 36 percent of those who tried to purchase health insurance directly from an insurance company in the individual insurance market were in fact discriminated against because of a pre-existing condition in the previous three years or dropped from coverage when they became seriously ill. Learn more: http://www.healthreform.gov/reports/den ... index.html

2. Less Care for More Costs: With each passing year, Americans are paying more for health care coverage. Employer-sponsored health insurance premiums have nearly doubled since 2000, a rate three times faster than wages. In 2008, the average premium for a family plan purchased through an employer was $12,680, nearly the annual earnings of a full-time minimum wage job. Americans pay more than ever for health insurance, but get less coverage. Learn more: http://www.healthreform.gov/reports/hid ... index.html

3. Roadblocks to Care for Women: Womens reproductive health requires more regular contact with health care providers, including yearly pap smears, mammograms, and obstetric care. Women are also more likely to report fair or poor health than men (9.5% versus 9.0%). While rates of chronic conditions such as diabetes and high blood pressure are similar to men, women are twice as likely to suffer from headaches and are more likely to experience joint, back or neck pain. These chronic conditions often require regular and frequent treatment and follow-up care. Learn more: http://www.healthreform.gov/reports/women/index.html

4. Hard Times in the Heartland: Throughout rural America, there are nearly 50 million people who face challenges in accessing health care. The past several decades have consistently shown higher rates of poverty, mortality, uninsurance, and limited access to a primary health care provider in rural areas. With the recent economic downturn, there is potential for an increase in many of the health disparities and access concerns that are already elevated in rural communities. Learn more: http://www.healthreform.gov/reports/hardtimes

5. Small Businesses Struggle to Provide Health Coverage: Nearly one-third of the uninsured 13 million people are employees of firms with less than 100 workers. From 2000 to 2007, the proportion of non-elderly Americans covered by employer-based health insurance fell from 66% to 61%. Much of this decline stems from small business. The percentage of small businesses offering coverage dropped from 68% to 59%, while large firms held stable at 99%. About a third of such workers in firms with fewer than 50 employees obtain insurance through a spouse. Learn more: http://www.healthreform.gov/reports/helpbottomline

6. The Tragedies are Personal: Half of all personal bankruptcies are at least partly the result of medical expenses. The typical elderly couple may have to save nearly $300,000 to pay for health costs not covered by Medicare alone. Learn more: http://www.healthreform.gov/reports/inaction

7. Diminishing Access to Care: From 2000 to 2007, the proportion of non-elderly Americans covered by employer-based health insurance fell from 66% to 61%. An estimated 87 million people - one in every three Americans under the age of 65 - were uninsured at some point in 2007 and 2008. More than 80% of the uninsured are in working families. Learn more: http://www.healthreform.gov/reports/ina ... index.html

8. The Trends are Troubling: Without reform, health care costs will continue to skyrocket unabated, putting unbearable strain on families, businesses, and state and federal government budgets. Perhaps the most visible sign of the need for health care reform is the 46 million Americans currently without health insurance - projections suggest that this number will rise to about 72 million in 2040 in the absence of reform. Learn more: http://www.WhiteHouse.gov/assets/docume ... Report.pdf

Gwyneth

Health Care Debate Points -- from the White House, with link

Postby Gwyneth » Thu Aug 13, 2009 11:51 am

Name: Gwyneth
Source: unca20091009.htm
Dear Auntie Susan: Overjoyed to hear you are on the mend and Unca' Harlan's tender ministrations have worked wonders! Keep on fightin' them frog koffs! May they leap as far away the Calaveris County Fair Jumping Frog Jubilee winner! :)

Alex: Congratulations on your upcoming nuptuals! :)

Mary: No, a job isn't too much to ask. Keep swinging, kiddo! :)

To all: keep the faith. Re: the Rosa Parks incident, I ask myself if this is REALLY all about the fact that an African-American man is President. Is this a last-ditch stand by the remnants of the Jim Crow crowd, to scuttle what is possibly the single most important piece of legislation since Social Security?

Ok, back on my soapbox, with love and hope...

8 ways reform provides security and stability to those with or without coverage

1. Ends Discrimination for Pre-Existing Conditions: Insurance companies will be prohibited from refusing you coverage because of your medical history.

2. Ends Exorbitant Out-of-Pocket Expenses, Deductibles or Co-Pays: Insurance companies will have to abide by yearly caps on how much they can charge for out-of-pocket expenses.

3. Ends Cost-Sharing for Preventive Care: Insurance companies must fully cover, without charge, regular checkups and tests that help you prevent illness, such as mammograms or eye and foot exams for diabetics.

4. Ends Dropping of Coverage for Seriously Ill: Insurance companies will be prohibited from dropping or watering down insurance coverage for those who become seriously ill.

5. Ends Gender Discrimination: Insurance companies will be prohibited from charging you more because of your gender.

6. Ends Annual or Lifetime Caps on Coverage: Insurance companies will be prevented from placing annual or lifetime caps on the coverage you receive.

7. Extends Coverage for Young Adults: Children would continue to be eligible for family coverage through the age of 26.

8. Guarantees Insurance Renewal: Insurance companies will be required to renew any policy as long as the policyholder pays their premium in full. Insurance companies won't be allowed to refuse renewal because someone became sick.

Learn more and get details: http://www.WhiteHouse.gov/health-insura ... otections/

8 common myths about health insurance reform

1. Reform will stop "rationing" - not increase it: Its a myth that reform will mean a "government takeover" of health care or lead to "rationing." To the contrary, reform will forbid many forms of rationing that are currently being used by insurance companies.

2. We cant afford reform: It's the status quo we can't afford. Its a myth that reform will bust the budget. To the contrary, the President has identified ways to pay for the vast majority of the up-front costs by cutting waste, fraud, and abuse within existing government health programs; ending big subsidies to insurance companies; and increasing efficiency with such steps as coordinating care and streamlining paperwork. In the long term, reform can help bring down costs that will otherwise lead to a fiscal crisis.

3. Reform would encourage "euthanasia": It does not. Its a malicious myth that reform would encourage or even require euthanasia for seniors. For seniors who want to consult with their family and physicians about end-of life decisions, reform will help to cover these voluntary, private consultations for those who want help with these personal and difficult family decisions.

4. Vets' health care is safe and sound: Its a myth that health insurance reform will affect veterans' access to the care they get now. To the contrary, the President's budget significantly expands coverage under the VA, extending care to 500,000 more veterans who were previously excluded. The VA Healthcare system will continue to be available for all eligible veterans.

5. Reform will benefit small business - not burden it: Its a myth that health insurance reform will hurt small businesses. To the contrary, reform will ease the burdens on small businesses, provide tax credits to help them pay for employee coverage and help level the playing field with big firms who pay much less to cover their employees on average.

6. Your Medicare is safe, and stronger with reform: Its myth that Health Insurance Reform would be financed by cutting Medicare benefits. To the contrary, reform will improve the long-term financial health of Medicare, ensure better coordination, eliminate waste and unnecessary subsidies to insurance companies, and help to close the Medicare "doughnut" hole to make prescription drugs more affordable for seniors.

7. You can keep your own insurance: Its myth that reform will force you out of your current insurance plan or force you to change doctors. To the contrary, reform will expand your choices, not eliminate them.

8. No, government will not do anything with your bank account: It is an absurd myth that government will be in charge of your bank accounts. Health insurance reform will simplify administration, making it easier and more convenient for you to pay bills in a method that you choose. Just like paying a phone bill or a utility bill, you can pay by traditional check, or by a direct electronic payment. And forms will be standardized so they will be easier to understand. The choice is up to you and the same rules of privacy will apply as they do for all other electronic payments that people make.

Learn more and get details:
http://www.WhiteHouse.gov/realitycheck
http://www.WhiteHouse.gov/realitycheck/faq

8 Reasons We Need Health Insurance Reform Now

1. Coverage Denied to Millions: A recent national survey estimated that 12.6 million non-elderly adults 36 percent of those who tried to purchase health insurance directly from an insurance company in the individual insurance market were in fact discriminated against because of a pre-existing condition in the previous three years or dropped from coverage when they became seriously ill. Learn more: http://www.healthreform.gov/reports/den ... index.html

2. Less Care for More Costs: With each passing year, Americans are paying more for health care coverage. Employer-sponsored health insurance premiums have nearly doubled since 2000, a rate three times faster than wages. In 2008, the average premium for a family plan purchased through an employer was $12,680, nearly the annual earnings of a full-time minimum wage job. Americans pay more than ever for health insurance, but get less coverage. Learn more: http://www.healthreform.gov/reports/hid ... index.html

3. Roadblocks to Care for Women: Womens reproductive health requires more regular contact with health care providers, including yearly pap smears, mammograms, and obstetric care. Women are also more likely to report fair or poor health than men (9.5% versus 9.0%). While rates of chronic conditions such as diabetes and high blood pressure are similar to men, women are twice as likely to suffer from headaches and are more likely to experience joint, back or neck pain. These chronic conditions often require regular and frequent treatment and follow-up care. Learn more: http://www.healthreform.gov/reports/women/index.html

4. Hard Times in the Heartland: Throughout rural America, there are nearly 50 million people who face challenges in accessing health care. The past several decades have consistently shown higher rates of poverty, mortality, uninsurance, and limited access to a primary health care provider in rural areas. With the recent economic downturn, there is potential for an increase in many of the health disparities and access concerns that are already elevated in rural communities. Learn more: http://www.healthreform.gov/reports/hardtimes

5. Small Businesses Struggle to Provide Health Coverage: Nearly one-third of the uninsured 13 million people are employees of firms with less than 100 workers. From 2000 to 2007, the proportion of non-elderly Americans covered by employer-based health insurance fell from 66% to 61%. Much of this decline stems from small business. The percentage of small businesses offering coverage dropped from 68% to 59%, while large firms held stable at 99%. About a third of such workers in firms with fewer than 50 employees obtain insurance through a spouse. Learn more: http://www.healthreform.gov/reports/helpbottomline

6. The Tragedies are Personal: Half of all personal bankruptcies are at least partly the result of medical expenses. The typical elderly couple may have to save nearly $300,000 to pay for health costs not covered by Medicare alone. Learn more: http://www.healthreform.gov/reports/inaction

7. Diminishing Access to Care: From 2000 to 2007, the proportion of non-elderly Americans covered by employer-based health insurance fell from 66% to 61%. An estimated 87 million people - one in every three Americans under the age of 65 - were uninsured at some point in 2007 and 2008. More than 80% of the uninsured are in working families. Learn more: http://www.healthreform.gov/reports/ina ... index.html

8. The Trends are Troubling: Without reform, health care costs will continue to skyrocket unabated, putting unbearable strain on families, businesses, and state and federal government budgets. Perhaps the most visible sign of the need for health care reform is the 46 million Americans currently without health insurance - projections suggest that this number will rise to about 72 million in 2040 in the absence of reform. Learn more: http://www.WhiteHouse.gov/assets/docume ... Report.pdf

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Postby robochrist » Thu Aug 13, 2009 2:35 pm

Name: Rob
Source: unca20091007.htm
Gwyneth:

I personally offer my thanks in behalf of whomever else here supports the position for your "fingers crossed" message on the reform issue.

Mark Goldberg:

Hang in there. I've known a good number of people going through that.

Steve Jarrett:

Thanks for the Jesse James-related link. I look forward to discussions with you hereafter.

Susan:

My best.

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Postby robochrist » Thu Aug 13, 2009 2:35 pm

Name: Rob
Source: unca20091009.htm
Gwyneth:

I personally offer my thanks in behalf of whomever else here supports the position for your "fingers crossed" message on the reform issue.

Mark Goldberg:

Hang in there. I've known a good number of people going through that.

Steve Jarrett:

Thanks for the Jesse James-related link. I look forward to discussions with you hereafter.

Susan:

My best.

jessie

book cover per harlan

Postby jessie » Thu Aug 13, 2009 2:54 pm

Name: jessie
Source: unca20091007.htm
fish-head in aspic for you -- here's the link:
http://www.copywerks.com/harlan/ellisonbook.html

jessie

book cover per harlan

Postby jessie » Thu Aug 13, 2009 2:54 pm

Name: jessie
Source: unca20091009.htm
fish-head in aspic for you -- here's the link:
http://www.copywerks.com/harlan/ellisonbook.html

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Postby Moderator » Thu Aug 13, 2009 3:22 pm

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Gawd.


I love that cover.



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Postby Moderator » Thu Aug 13, 2009 3:22 pm

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Gawd.


I love that cover.



Idaho Sims

Postby Idaho Sims » Thu Aug 13, 2009 3:42 pm

Name: Idaho Sims
Source: unca20091007.htm
Oily Tits and the Afterbirthers: sounds like the name of a strange Reggae band.


Idaho Sims

Postby Idaho Sims » Thu Aug 13, 2009 3:42 pm

Name: Idaho Sims
Source: unca20091009.htm
Oily Tits and the Afterbirthers: sounds like the name of a strange Reggae band.


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Postby Chuck Messer » Thu Aug 13, 2009 4:09 pm

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Alex Berman: Congratulations! Way to go, m'man!

Gwynneth: Excellent posting. Superb, in fact.

Chuck

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Postby Chuck Messer » Thu Aug 13, 2009 4:09 pm

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Alex Berman: Congratulations! Way to go, m'man!

Gwynneth: Excellent posting. Superb, in fact.

Chuck

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SERIOUS INPUT REQUESTED

Postby Harlan Ellison » Thu Aug 13, 2009 5:52 pm

Name: HARLAN ELLISON
Source: unca20091007.htm
I'm getting horrified disbelief about the cover art I've had in hand for at least six years, that I've been drooling to put on

A FISH-HEAD IN ASPIC.

I don't give a hoot who responds to the title, pro or con, that's what MY MY MY MY book will be called. You don't spark to it, go buy Faulkner's THE TOWN. Much safer choice.

But I DO I DO I DO want y'all to go to Jessie's link, look at the art (the type is just fill-in, it'll be done differently by Arnie Fenner) (this is an advance look just for YOU, so kindly don't ship it around, though I'm sure some asshole-with-internet-addiction won't be able to behave itself), and just tell me simply, no long panegyrics if you please, just tell me in a short line or a paragraph, if my vision is (once again) too
dangerous at this "juncture in time."

Several people close to me are telling me to back off.

Others are not.

I have a dream...

You want input, you got input. Thank you.

Harlan

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SERIOUS INPUT REQUESTED

Postby Harlan Ellison » Thu Aug 13, 2009 5:52 pm

Name: HARLAN ELLISON
Source: unca20091009.htm
I'm getting horrified disbelief about the cover art I've had in hand for at least six years, that I've been drooling to put on

A FISH-HEAD IN ASPIC.

I don't give a hoot who responds to the title, pro or con, that's what MY MY MY MY book will be called. You don't spark to it, go buy Faulkner's THE TOWN. Much safer choice.

But I DO I DO I DO want y'all to go to Jessie's link, look at the art (the type is just fill-in, it'll be done differently by Arnie Fenner) (this is an advance look just for YOU, so kindly don't ship it around, though I'm sure some asshole-with-internet-addiction won't be able to behave itself), and just tell me simply, no long panegyrics if you please, just tell me in a short line or a paragraph, if my vision is (once again) too
dangerous at this "juncture in time."

Several people close to me are telling me to back off.

Others are not.

I have a dream...

You want input, you got input. Thank you.

Harlan

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Input. Ha!

Postby remarck » Thu Aug 13, 2009 6:17 pm

Name: Keith Cramer
Source: unca20091007.htm
Harlan,

I confess I don't like the cover. I do not like swastikas, reverse swastikas, or anything that looks like Nazi propaganda.

Additionally, I don't like the font with that picture. I also don't like seeing your name above, or below, or around, a swastika.

NOW, having written that, I'l also say:

I can see why you like it. The Nazi uniform, floating there, begging for a face. Any face. It could be any face filling that space.

But what woudl blow me away. What would redeem the cover in my eyes: YOUR FACE THERE.

-Keith


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