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The Voles That Walk Like Men

Postby kevinkirby » Sun Jan 20, 2008 6:56 pm

After getting an opportunity to make a big picture simulating unedited raw footage by an amateur, Cloverfied's crew did their best to reinterpret IT CAME FROM THE DEEP for a whole new generation. The kids were throwing each other out of their seats after this one. I should know; one almost landed on me during the silent exité shuffle. No soundtrack necessary.

My one beef: for some reason, the previews had me waiting for some kind of man-sized rat pack carrying off helpless citizens. Did anyone else catch those scenes? Was I really seeing them, or is it a false memory? There were no huge, upright rodents whatsoever in the movie -- but in a coming attractions bit, I'm certain that's what I saw. Shadows of these big rat-men.

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*correction, please...*

Postby kevinkirby » Sun Jan 20, 2008 7:15 pm

That's -- IT CAME FROM BENEATH THE SEA --

Lookie --


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Postby markabaddon » Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:50 am

Cute, Kevin, but that clearly ain't It. The creature that came from beneath the sea was a giant octopus and some of my earliest memories are watching this film with my Dad when I was 4 or 5 and being scared shitless when the tentacles started coming out of the water...

As for the man-sized rat pack, I saw most of the trailers and previews for this film and never saw anything like that. Sorry.

Perhaps you are misremembering the scene where the soldiers take that girl who had been bitten by one of the smaller monsters behind the screen and she subsequently blows up?

(As an aside, that sequence still confuses me. I even went to IMDB to see if there might be an explanation on why she blew up. There are 10 pages of discussion on this point but nothing even close to a consensus or resolution. Still makes no damn sense to me)
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Postby markabaddon » Mon Jan 21, 2008 3:21 pm

2 more points on Cloverfield (and yes, I am bored at work today

At the end of the credits, there is a message. It is apparently someone saying "It is still alive", but backwards

Also, remember the last scene with Rob and Beth at Coney Island? Apparently, you can see something fall into the water in the upper right-hand corner of the screen, making the creature's origins appear extraterrestrial
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Postby Moderator » Mon Jan 21, 2008 3:43 pm

markabaddon wrote:2 more points on Cloverfield (and yes, I am bored at work today

At the end of the credits, there is a message. It is apparently someone saying "It is still alive", but backwards

Also, remember the last scene with Rob and Beth at Coney Island? Apparently, you can see something fall into the water in the upper right-hand corner of the screen, making the creature's origins appear extraterrestrial


That's called "setting up the sequel".

(And yes, I'm bored as well. I'm trying to figure out why someone at corporate decided it was necessary to make the Government Education unit come to work when all of our clients have the day off. I don't have THAT much paperwork to catch up on.)
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BITE!

Postby kevinkirby » Mon Jan 21, 2008 7:33 pm

A teaser trailer, showing some shaky scenes right after the Statue of Liberty's head crashed in, had some people getting carted off by some kind of mysterious figures in shadow. I'm thinking it might be funny if this scene was put out there to throw off viewers as to what the monsters were going to be. Maybe it was that part in the field hospital, cut right into the trailer after the big head comes to a shrieking halt?

The effects of the daughter-creatures' bites were highly believable, in a medical sense. The bleeding eye, after a few minutes, followed by red projectile emesis -- all highly plausible for a venomous deep-sea creature. In addition to having tentacles to pull down the Brooklyn Bridge (from the water below), the faces and head structures of these beasts most resembled those from the deepest sea. One can almost picture them as having elements of bioluminescence.

IMHO, it's about eco-disaster. Intolerable environmental change forcing up an unexpected, and ultimately pathetic (as it got saturation-bombed) denizon of the unseen depths.

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Postby markabaddon » Tue Jan 22, 2008 1:23 pm

Steve, I know it is just setting up the sequel but it still strikes me as a hollow and cheap ending. It looks like the producers will be doing a manga version of Cloverfield in a prequel type fashion. Let's just hope they stay away from the sub-genre known as hentai. If you don't know what that is, be thankful.

Kevin, while the smaller creatures were certainly unusual, they looked more non-terrestrial to me than deep sea. Not sure about the tentacles pulling down the head of the statue of liberty either. During the close-up shot of the mangled head, it looked more bitten off to me. Also, I am not sure if the creature even had tentacles. It does definitively have a tail, but one never obtains a clear enough view to ascertain if there are tentacles or simply misshapen limbs.

The reaction of the bite is just dumb, plain dumb. There is no venom on earth that would cause a person's body to explode like that. One potential explanation is that a parasite is transmitted through the bite that would incubate in the bitten organism. It would have to be extremely fast developing, but theoretically plausible, if far fetched. Another is if this creature is a denizen of the depths, that some pathogen is transmitted that would replicate the pressure of its native environment, causing a death similar to an extreme case of the bends. That one is even less likely

Basically, it made no goddamn sense and I suspect was thrown into the script for simple shock value.
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Postby Moderator » Tue Jan 22, 2008 1:51 pm

Let's just hope they stay away from the sub-genre known as hentai. If you don't know what that is, be thankful.


I've always understood that to be a type of temporary tattoo.


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Postby markabaddon » Tue Jan 22, 2008 2:24 pm

That is henna, you dork. Hentai is japanese tentacle porn.

I walked into a room that was showing it at a con last year. The food they were serving in this room: sushi and hot dogs, I shit you not. Could not get outta that place fast enough and I ain't a squeamish one when it comes to porn
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Postby David Loftus » Tue Jan 22, 2008 3:11 pm

Rather grateful I have not run into that yet.

There's been a surprising amount of short but vivid pornographic passages in Gravity's Rainbow (I'm up to p. 584 and rollin'). Doesn't bother me at all -- some of it's rather beguiling -- but I can see how a National Book Award judge strenuously objected to giving the novel the award.
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Postby markabaddon » Tue Jan 22, 2008 3:26 pm

David I am surprised, considering some of your work in the past, that it is not a sub-genre you had encountered.

To be honest, you ain't missing anything, it was really gross and not very erotic at all in my opinion.

I am familiar with Gravity's Rainbow but was unaware of the sexual content. Is it gratuitous or is it appropriate within the context of the story?
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Postby David Loftus » Tue Jan 22, 2008 4:56 pm

markabaddon wrote:I am familiar with Gravity's Rainbow but was unaware of the sexual content. Is it gratuitous or is it appropriate within the context of the story?



I THINK it's not gratuitous, unless you classify just about everything else in the book -- the jokey character names, the made-up song lyrics, the discussion of "King Kong," the English and multilingual puns, the S/M and racism and coprophilia and pedophilia references, etc., etc. -- as gratuitous as well.

By that I mean, it's hard to say just WHAT the book is doing and what belongs or does not belong. I'm definitely going to be hunting for reference works on this book -- between hard covers, not just on the Web, before or after I've finished it.
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Postby Moderator » Tue Jan 22, 2008 6:05 pm

markabaddon wrote:That is henna, you dork. Hentai is japanese tentacle porn.



*smirk*

Yes. I know. But wouldn't you have found it considerably more disconcerting to find out that I do know what Hentai is? This may spoil that squeaky clean image I've cultivated so very carefully...

(I make it a point of knowing the categories of porn, even though I may never have actually indulged in many of them. Well, some of them, at the very least.)


(And I'm equally surprised by David's unfamiliarity with the genre.)
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Postby markabaddon » Wed Jan 23, 2008 12:11 pm

Squeaky clean image? My, SOMEONE has a distorted self image, don't they...
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Postby kevinkirby » Wed Jan 23, 2008 2:47 pm

I can't rule out a theory of extraterrestrial origin for the massive, mindlessly ravening monster glimpsed in this film. But does that imply that a star-spanning pilot can also become a city-destroying monstrosity when it begins to get hungry? Or was the actual pilot also a victim, perhaps of impacting the ocean?

Perhaps such massive (to us) life forms are sent out across the light years in hopes of finding a pleasant place to bring up their young.

In any case, the creature almost certainly met its match in Cenal Park that day, at the hands of our nation's air force.


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