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Postby Barney Dannelke » Sun Sep 28, 2008 11:32 pm

Well, Batman's use of torture gets mixed results. It gets him the information he wants when he throws Eric Roberts off a building breaking something in one of his legs - but it doesn't work on the JOKER.

This is, um, "good" because torture shouldn't work on the JOKER since the JOKER is the fictional pinnacle of insanity. But what is significant is that Gordon (representing both the "state" and polite society) allows Batman to not only abuse the JOKER (the slipperiest of slippery slopes since he is SO extreme) but allows it in his own police station.

That's the moral equivalent of moving GITMO on to American soil.

Mind you, there are other readings to all this. I'm just doing Klaven and Lethem's heavy lifting for them since they don't finish what they started.

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Postby Barney Dannelke » Sun Sep 28, 2008 11:43 pm

This is, um, "good" because torture shouldn't work on the JOKER since the JOKER is the fictional pinnacle of insanity.*


*the JOKER is the argumentative stand-in for Hitler in your typical straw-man argument.
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Postby FrankChurch » Mon Sep 29, 2008 3:39 pm

The Joker is a twisted version of our sins. He just acts them out.

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Postby Moderator » Mon Sep 29, 2008 4:01 pm

FrankChurch wrote:The Joker is a twisted version of our sins. He just acts them out.


"*"



(Frank, if you don't act out your sin, is it really a sin?)



(Cite two examples, no references to Jimmy Carter permitted.)


Besides...

...isn't acting out the sin the best part??? :twisted:
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Postby Barney Dannelke » Mon Sep 29, 2008 4:08 pm

Does anybody know if during the Civil War we tortured - as a formalized process to get information. I'm not talking about shitty things done one-on-one but in a formalized "he may know where those troops are heading" sort of way. North or South.

My impression/understanding was that spies were shot - but not tortured.

I'm probably going to go on Dan Simmons board and ask him the same question with regard to the Trojan War.

Any informed input on this would be welcome.

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Postby FrankChurch » Mon Sep 29, 2008 4:34 pm

Barber, easy:

War, selfishness.

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Postby swp » Mon Sep 29, 2008 4:55 pm

Barney: I recommend starting here
http://www.sonofthesouth.net/leefoundation/civil-war/1862/february/slave-torture.htm

there's a lot more information out there, especially if you can get down to York or Gettysburg for some original document reading. an advantage of living in the keystone state.
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Postby Steve Evil » Mon Sep 29, 2008 7:14 pm

Forgot about Eric Roberts. That complicates my argument. :? (Don't I ever get to win one of these things?)

Is not the Joker's greatest evil that he makes good men do bad things?

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Postby FrankChurch » Tue Sep 30, 2008 10:09 am

Because life is a joke.

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