Quantum of Solace - could there even be "spoilers?"

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Quantum of Solace - could there even be "spoilers?"

Postby Barney Dannelke » Fri Nov 28, 2008 10:28 am

[letter to a friend cross-posted]

Saw it yesterday. I swear to the God I don't believe in that there is no way to spoil this movie. My intention is to discuss relative merits against the others in the genre and a few stylistic quirks. If you really think this needs to be filed until you see it, well, do what you must but I think that would be a little silly since NO plot points are given away - and all plot "points" at this late date are only stepping stones to the next formula touchstone within the movie in any case.

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I think one thing that may safely be said about this film is that like all Bond films they are very much rooted in their time. Unlike a film by Jim Jaramusch or many David Fincher films I can usually spot a Bond film by car or a watch or a tie or a shirt collar within a 4 year period. This is entirely intentional and to take exception to it is to miss some of the fun of the genre. This film is no exception.

The title sequence and song were IMHO better than CASINO ROYALE because the title sequence in CR exactly replicated the hands in the final poker sequence, killing what little suspense that section of the film had.

The action - ALL the action - is done in that close up hyper smash-cut style introduced in the Bourne movies and taken to what I hope will be its final extremis here. As it was there were a couple of moments in sequences which I felt were cheats in that there is no way you can determine if something is even remotely physically possible because you are either given NO time to process the action or the shot is so tight and rapid that you are not sure you were given enough information to work out in a minute what Bond must have worked out in less than 2 seconds. I am thinking of a sequence (a 2 second sequence, I kid you not) involving a rope, a grappling hook and a rubber Zodiac boat that may or may not make any sense whatsoever. You tell me.

One franchise staple is missing. You'll have to tell me if that bothered you. You will know by the halfway point what part of the formula is "missing."

The Martini sequence. Best ever IMHO. One thing that has always bothered me about the martini formula. In at least one of the books, possibly CR, I think it's served in a champagne glass or flute. Why Fleming did this always confused me - OR it's possible there is something about this I am not understanding as a stemware layman. LMK.

Cars. Seemed awesome and wonderful to me. I'm sure someone could write a brilliant piece comparing the TRANSPORTER cars to the recent Bond cars. I'm not that guy.

Computer tech. Fucking wonderful. Especially the phone stuff. Great balance between functionality and contempt. Dame Dench does a wonderful job of not being all gosh wow about a computer desk I was just about creaming over. Especially kewl since that tech exists if you have enough money.

Clothes. I will mostly leave it to you. I must say the Craig wardrobe is the very first wardrobe of Bond clothes I've actually coveted. And my first Bond movie I ever saw in theaters was ON HER MAJESTY'S SECRET SERVICE so I have some overview on all this. These clothes were great and seemed more timeless then most Bond gear. But I'm so far from GQ that may be said entirely out of ignorance.

There is one thing I thought was AS unrealistic as the car "problem" from Casino Royale - namely, at one point Bond needs to steal some clothes and you see the person w/o shirt he has stolen those clothes from. See if you can match that up because I could not. Craig has a "great" body - but not the same great body as the guy who's clothes he appropriated. And of course the clothes ALWAYS fit Craig perfectly.

The villain was terrific. Also, much more grounded and real. I believe this sort of asshole truly exists and roams the world in large ways and small. Sort of like a young psychotic Roman Polanski with thugs and hanger-ons.

Best hotel upgrade ever. ;-)

And there you go. I would say see it in a theater. It will lose a bit on the home screen unless you have some serious new screen footage at home.

Oh, and Bond lives to fight another day. Shocking, eh?

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Postby SemiWriter » Sat Nov 29, 2008 1:07 am

The whole concept of "spoilers" drives me batshit.

There are those that absolutely FREAK if something is in any way "spoiled." Last year, I got berated for mentioning the ending to "Bridge to Terabithia"... even though it's a 31-year-old award-winning story that's either a part of required reading in schools or on the banned list (in which case, it should be obtained just for that reason). Wow, maybe I should watch what I say about "Little Women" next! Hey, and you'll never guess what happens in "Othello"!

Perhaps the whole world should put a hold on all forms of until these special people are ready to catch up with it. Think that would work? Damn, but people will throw such a hissy fit over learning anything about a film or TV show too early... I'd laugh if it wasn't actually a sad state of mind for the fanatical anti-spoiler people.

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Postby Moderator » Sat Nov 29, 2008 8:10 am

Advance warning then: Halrn HATES spoilers and has been know to personally chew on those that post them on the Pav.

Hence the policy that spoilers are allowed "over here" as long as they are marked as such.
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Postby Ben W. » Sat Nov 29, 2008 9:52 am

Barber wrote:Advance warning then: Halrn HATES spoilers and has been know to personally chew on those that post them on the Pav.


Trust me, RJF, Barber knows what he's talking about. I once made an irreverent comment about a small scene from THE DARK KNIGHT that barely had anything to do with the rest of the plot, and Harlan banned me for a fortnight.

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Postby Alan Coil » Sat Nov 29, 2008 12:32 pm

As Barber has said, spoilers are allowed when marked as such.

The main reason for this is that many, including Harlan, do not get to the theater the moment a new movie opens. Sometimes it is a week or two after opening before I see a new movie.

But it shouldn't cause a ruckus when a story point is mentioned about a movie that has been out for more than 6 months or so. Most of those points get spoiled in the media after a month or so anyway.

I have not seen The Crying Game, The Sixth Sense, nor Citizen Kane, but I know all the salient plot points.

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Postby SemiWriter » Sun Nov 30, 2008 2:18 am

Salient points. "Swing loooooowwww..." ;-)

In a college film class, I was forced to watch "Citizen Kane" but was surprised to find that I enjoyed it much better that way than just through a casual viewiing--as a study subject, where you can fully appreciate the depth and innovations that Welles dedicated to his film, it feels more alive and layered.

Eh, these days, let's face it. Movie gets spoiled when the crew barely calls out, "Check the gate!" The market is saturated with behind-the-scenes specials and interviews and cross-promotions and so on.

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Postby David Loftus » Sun Nov 30, 2008 2:48 am

Alan Coil wrote:I have not seen The Crying Game, The Sixth Sense, nor Citizen Kane, but I know all the salient plot points.



Well for gosh sakes, don't reveal 'em here!

I've seen all of them, but I don't remember what happens in them.
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Postby FrankChurch » Sun Nov 30, 2008 12:09 pm

The great thing about Citizen Kane is that you can watch any part of it and it doesn't actually matter. The movie is really less about plot and more about the overwhelming beauty of cinema and what leaps it can take when it wants to.

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Postby cynic » Sun Nov 30, 2008 12:31 pm

spoiler request:how does THE BIBLE end?
it's so close to the end of my list ,i don't think i'll get to it.

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Postby FinderDoug » Sun Nov 30, 2008 1:58 pm

spoiler request:how does THE BIBLE end?


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It's left open-ended for a sequel. Something about a second coming or something. Then the credits. Than an amusing after-credit bit with Samuel L. Jackson recruiting for the Knights of Columbus.

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Postby David Loftus » Sun Nov 30, 2008 4:17 pm

Classic feminist line: "Jesus Christ was a typical male. They say they'll come back and you NEVER SEE THEM AGAIN!"
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Postby Ben W. » Mon Dec 01, 2008 9:27 pm

FinderDoug wrote:It's left open-ended for a sequel. Something about a second coming or something. Then the credits. Than an amusing after-credit bit with Samuel L. Jackson recruiting for the Knights of Columbus.


What? It ends on a cliffhanger?! Laaaaaaaaaame!!

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Postby cynic » Mon Dec 01, 2008 9:54 pm

i guess i'll wait till the movie(s)come out.
jackson was good in "unbreakable",think i'll watch it tonight.

what happened to the"remo williams"and"buckoroo bonzai"sequels?

Holywood (sic) is such a tease.

thanks, mike

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Postby cynic » Mon Dec 01, 2008 9:57 pm

HEY BARNEY D., how's the store? hope all is well.

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Postby cynic » Mon Dec 01, 2008 10:02 pm

BANZAI ,oops


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