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If they're going to remake a movie...

Postby Chuck Messer » Tue Dec 16, 2008 8:09 am

...why not a near-miss or misfire with some potential? Like This Island Earth. There was a movie with an interesting idea that contained both silly and sublime elements.

Hell, Night of the Living Dead was allegedly inspired by Plan 9 from Outer Space.

What are movies that you think could stand a re-making?

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Postby Moderator » Tue Dec 16, 2008 8:20 am

Good topic. I've already mentioned Damnation Alley. I AM interested in the much-rumored Logan's Run remake. I loved that film, but as I grew older the plotholes opened much more widely. Also, the future has not held up well stylistically.

This might make you laugh. One that could certainly bear updating and might make for a great film (retitled, of course) is The Monolith Monsters.

I'd also like to see Soldier on the big screen, but I'm not sure Ellison would allow it -- and the comparisons to Terminator would be rampant.

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Postby Steve Evil » Tue Dec 16, 2008 11:17 am

See, I don't think good movies need remaking. They've already been done perfectly the first time ;round. I think its BAD movies that could do with a redo. . .


There was weird little British horror flick from the seventies about a gang of bikers who made some kind of supernatural pact, and returned from the dead to wreak havok on the English country side. The title escapes me at the moment, but I always thought if it had only been made a decade later, in the early eighties with all the excesses of that era, it could have been a major cult hit. Maybe not a better movie, but a far more entertaining one.

Today I'd transplant it to Norway and give it a Black Metal theme.

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Postby Gwyneth M905 » Tue Dec 16, 2008 5:53 pm

How about Disney's Song of the South remade by Spike Lee?

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Postby FrankChurch » Tue Dec 16, 2008 5:55 pm

David Lynch could remake Caligula.

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Postby Gwyneth M905 » Tue Dec 16, 2008 11:51 pm

Quentin Tarantino could remake The Golden Bowl starring Uma Thurman.

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Postby Chuck Messer » Wed Dec 17, 2008 7:46 am

Here's another film that could use another try: Saul Bass' Phase IV. The original has some interesting, creepy moments and some how-the-hell-did-they-do-that moments. It also has some lame parts and scenes that fall flat.

The idea that some kind of cosmic phenomenon (invasion by radiation?) causes ants in the New Mexico desert to develop a group conciousness, an all-encompassing overmind was certainly new in the movies, if not SF literature.

One scene that stays in my mind is after the scienctists studying these intelligent insects spray the perimeter of their research station with a powerful insecticide foam color-coded yellow. Then one of the ants takes a chunk of the foam down into the burrow and drags it along until it's overcome with the toxin and dies. Then another ant comes along and carries the sample until it dies. Finally, the last in the relay brings the sample to the mutated queen which eats a small amount and begins laying yellow eggs hatching ants that are immune to the toxin.

I'd love to know how they got real ants to behave in a way that they could piece this scene together. It was an amazing scene. If someone could do this in a movie that was better written, the result would be a creepy, haunting SF movie that would live with the audience long after they saw it.

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Postby David Loftus » Wed Dec 17, 2008 9:47 am

I've never heard of that one. How old is it? It predates "Them," yes?
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Postby Moderator » Wed Dec 17, 2008 10:39 am

Good pull, Chuck. That film left me a bit cold, and has a lot more potential as subject material. Shootable on a shoestring budget, it could be a very intelligent film a'la THE MAN FROM EARTH. More about the story than the visuals.

(It came out in the mid-seventies, BTW, so was produced well after THEM!)
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Postby Moderator » Wed Dec 17, 2008 10:44 am

David -

This web page has a very cool analysis of PHASE IV's visuals. The owner liked the film a bit better than I did. (I didn't dislike it, like I said, it left me cold.)

http://www.goofbutton.com/2008/09/saul_bass_phase_iv.html
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Postby FrankChurch » Wed Dec 17, 2008 12:01 pm

Actually, Ed Wood was a clever way at redoing a bad movie, but still keeping it bad. We need more original ideas like that.

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Postby reddragon70 » Wed Dec 17, 2008 12:52 pm

Barber wrote:David -

This web page has a very cool analysis of PHASE IV's visuals. The owner liked the film a bit better than I did. (I didn't dislike it, like I said, it left me cold.)

http://www.goofbutton.com/2008/09/saul_bass_phase_iv.html


I remember seeing Phase IV many years ago and loving it. I was probably not much more than 15 or 16 at the time and the film was pretty old then, however the visual style was amazing. Some very odd camera shots of extreme close ups, miniatures and shots of the ants. It was lovely. The story too was thought provoking. The ants were less of an enemy than the hysterical and superior behaviour of man.

I would agree that it wouldnt be everyones cup of tea and some people would compare the more psychadelic visuals with the end sequence of 2001, which may be fair comment but its definitely a film that is worthy of trcking down.

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Postby markabaddon » Wed Dec 17, 2008 1:08 pm

David, Phase IV is from the early to mid 1970 period of animal, espeically insect, related disaster films. OK movie, but not nearly as good as the 1950s "Them"

This may sound pathetic, but I would lvoe to see The Last Starfighter remade. Not a good film at all, but I thought it had some fun elements to it.

For a really bad movie that could be remade, how about Hell Comes to Frogtown, starring Roddy Piper (David, did you ever have that interview with Roddy?)
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Postby Moderator » Wed Dec 17, 2008 1:33 pm

markabaddon wrote:Not a good film at all, but I thought it had some fun elements to it.


Nearly all of them involving Robert Preston. He was the major saving grace of that film.
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Postby David Loftus » Wed Dec 17, 2008 1:35 pm

markabaddon wrote:David, Phase IV is from the early to mid 1970 period of animal, espeically insect, related disaster films. OK movie, but not nearly as good as the 1950s "Them"


Speaking of the 70s and insects, I always meant to see "The Hellstrom Chronicle" but never managed to get to it. Anybody here remember it?



markabaddon wrote:For a really bad movie that could be remade, how about Hell Comes to Frogtown, starring Roddy Piper (David, did you ever have that interview with Roddy?)


Still (I hope) pending.
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