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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby Lori Koonce » Wed Dec 09, 2009 1:13 pm

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Can you write as stupidly as that woman?

I wonder if she realizes just how inane she happens to be.

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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby Moderator » Wed Dec 09, 2009 2:06 pm

Lessee -- Who would I trust more as being knowledgeable, authoritiative and outside of the influence of special interests: Palin, or Gore?

Al Gore wrote:"If you take one little thing from 10 years ago out of context and describe it inaccurately, then it becomes a controversy without any real substance," Gore said.

"Is there any substantive reason to worry about them? No. Does the noise machine of the climate deniers blow them out of proportion and fool some people into thinking they have substance? Well, that's another matter," he said.

"This was an open process in which the studies that were being argued about actually were fully included and openly discussed and analyzed. So this was an example of people who don't want to do anything about the climate crisis taking things out of context and misrepresenting them."
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Postby FrankChurch » Wed Dec 09, 2009 2:33 pm

I don't know if Polar Bears more than doubled, but their number still makes them endangered, an obvious truth. You know the dumb bitch had help writing the thing. She probably whispered in David Frum's ear and his zipper started to smoke, ironically melting the last remaining glaciers.

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Postby Duane » Wed Dec 09, 2009 2:51 pm

I entitle this photo as "BUT TEMPERATURES HAVE BEEN FALLING SINCE 1998!!! :mrgreen:

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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby FrankChurch » Wed Dec 09, 2009 2:52 pm

We had the hottest decade on record.

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According to polls now only a minority of people believe in global warming. The right gives them answers, we don't. We will have a nation of idiots soon if this keeps up.

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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby Moderator » Wed Dec 09, 2009 3:42 pm

FrankChurch wrote:I don't know if Polar Bears more than doubled, but their number still makes them endangered, an obvious truth. You know the dumb bitch had help writing the thing. She probably whispered in David Frum's ear and his zipper started to smoke, ironically melting the last remaining glaciers.



Actually, at least according to Polar Bears International, she's in error.

They are not, in the Legal Term sense, "endangered". But they are "threatened".

From PBI's website:

How many polar bears are there?
Scientists estimate that there are between 20,000 to 25,000 polar bears.


Are polar bears endangered?
Scientists predict that, if current warming trends continue in the Arctic, two-thirds of the world's polar bears could disappear by 2050. At the most recent meeting of the IUCN Polar Bear Specialist Group (held in Copenhagen in 2009), the world's leading polar bear scientists reported that of the 19 subpopulations of polar bears, eight were declining, three were stable, one was increasing, and seven had insufficient data to make a determination. At their 2005 meeting in Seattle, the group reclassified the polar bear as vulnerable on the IUCN World Conservation Union's "Red List of Threatened Species," noting that the species could become extinct due to sea ice changes. Individual countries with polar bears have reclassified the species as well. Citing to concerns about shrinking sea ice habitat, the U.S. Department of the Interior announced on May 14, 2008, that it is listing the polar bear as a Threatened Species under the Endangered Species Act. Russia lists the polar bear as "a species of concern." The major threat to the polar bear is shrinking sea ice habitat due to climate change. Other threats include pollution, poaching, and industrial disturbances. Hunting could become a threat if populations are not well managed.


(I cited these stats on my recent "Save the Bears" video posted on Youtube .)

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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby FrankChurch » Thu Dec 10, 2009 12:15 pm

Barber, yea, that word..lol

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Obama's Nobel speech was disgusting. He basically supported imperialism. Very angry right now.

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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby FrankChurch » Thu Dec 10, 2009 12:19 pm

Obama compared the Taliban to the nazis. MLK would be on the other side.

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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby Ezra Lb. » Thu Dec 10, 2009 2:33 pm

The other side of what?
“We must not always talk in the marketplace,” Hester Prynne said, “of what happens to us in the forest.”
-Nathaniel Hawthorne, The Scarlet Letter

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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby FrankChurch » Thu Dec 10, 2009 4:19 pm

Non-violence and peace.

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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby Ezra Lb. » Fri Dec 11, 2009 8:25 pm

Good article.

More wise words...

http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfa ... enial.html

The woman who thinks being able to see Russia from Alaska counts as foreign policy experience now feels qualified to dismiss the consensus of the vast majority of the world's climate scientists even though she herself has repeatedly demonstrated that she does not understand the difference between 'climate' and 'weather'.


Frank, just because you or I think that the war in Afghanistan may be misguided shouldn't blind us to the reality of the true nature of the Taliban. People who throw acid in the faces of little girls because they go to school might just possibly have to be killed. Sorry about that but sometimes pacifism is indistinguishable from cowardice. Would you consider Swiss neutrality during WW2 an honorable position? I would not.
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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby FrankChurch » Sat Dec 12, 2009 12:14 pm

Not misguided. The war is immoral and a crime. You can be outraged at the Taliban and us at the same time. Our continued war gives the Taliban the power they need. We need to let the Afghan people do their own fighting. We can have their back with logistics, but only if they want it. They want us gone we should and must leave. War and violence is against God.

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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby Moderator » Sat Dec 12, 2009 12:48 pm

Frank, I'll disagree. The war in Iraq was immoral and a crime. The initial war in Afghanistan was justifiable under international law. For us to walk away and leave the country in a shambles -- thereby allowing a Taliban return to power -- would be itself a criminal act.

The Taliban, if you'll remember, made an international showing of destroying the 1500 year old Buddhas of Bamyan, declaring them an offense to Sharia Islam.

The Taliban do not regard Shiites as Muslims, and therefore they can be killed with impunity.

The Taliban broach no opposition of any kind and systematically put their opponents to death.


From an ethical standpoint we need to increase the security of the Afghan people; restore some degree of individual freedom and prosperity; and enough of an infrastructure that when we DO leave the majority of the people do NOT support the Taliban's return. Abandoning the Afghan people to a return of the Taliban's system of government (brutal to women and anyone theologically independent) would be an offense to humanity, and an action unworthy of us as a nation.

Compounding the Bush Administration's criminal abandonment of the Afghan War would not be good for Afghans or Americans alike.
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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby FrankChurch » Sat Dec 12, 2009 1:25 pm

This war will create more terrorism in the US. That will make the country far more right wing, which could usher in Palin as President. Like my conspiracy theory?

Don't the Afghan people have any say in this? If they say we have to leave, what gives us the right to stay? Nothing.

The Taliban will never, NEVER give up. We cannot win and will not win. Ask Russia. We will give up, we always do, and should. Tribes will have to rule different part of the country. We can be part of that, but only on the outside. We need to give them money for building schools, roads, giving them jobs. This stops terror, not an extended war.


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