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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby Steve Evil » Wed Mar 09, 2011 2:20 pm

Let me put it this way:

I would not support an invasion of Libya for obvious reasons (not that anyone's suggested it).

Nor would I necessarily support a no-fly zone, as I am not entirely convinced it would help.

And there are probably many good reasons for NOT sending weapons,

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IF US-made armour piercing rounds were to find their way into rebel hands, I would not be terribly distraught. 'specially since Gaddafi sent in the tanks this morning. . .

Maybe I'm getting old.

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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby Chuck Messer » Thu Mar 10, 2011 10:13 am

Well the motherfuckers in Wisconsin went and made their dick move.

As Lily Allen says, "Fuck you very much".

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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby FrankChurch » Thu Mar 10, 2011 2:15 pm

Chuck, the next shot is to bring it to the courts and also they should try to impeach the bastards.

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Postby Lori Koonce » Thu Mar 10, 2011 3:02 pm

FrankChurch wrote:Chuck, the next shot is to bring it to the courts and also they should try to impeach the bastards.



You don't pay much attention to the news do ya Frank. Impeachment is a federal matter for one thing. Recall can only be done in the stat of WI if the person has had the office for over a year. That takes care of most of the House and Senate, but Walker cannot recalled for another 9 months.

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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby FrankChurch » Fri Mar 11, 2011 12:43 pm

I meant recall..lo

No fly zones usually uptick civilian casualties, plus it would be seen as an act of war by us. That is not an option that would be good at all.

Either sending arms via a friendly country or using the UN as mediator is the only option. The only sane option.

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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby FrankChurch » Sun Mar 13, 2011 12:26 pm

I admire Tavis Smiley and Cornell West's defense of both Hugo Chavez and Farrakhan, even though they both have issues, especially defending Gaddafi, which they both think are wrong, but they can still admire them for supporting the poor and being against American imperialism. They see the forest for the trees, not just willing to dump Venezuela over to the oligarchs, because of some dumb stance by Chavez. There is yin and yang with everything, even brother Chavez and Brother minister.

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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby FrankChurch » Mon Mar 14, 2011 3:30 pm

I have an idea: teach black history in white high schools.

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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby RocRizzo » Fri Mar 18, 2011 9:06 am

FrankChurch wrote:I have an idea: teach black history in white high schools.


They already do teach their own version of black history in white high schools, albeit their own version, which includes nothing.

Yes, they should actually use Howard Zinn's, "A People's History of the United States" as a text book for US History, starting in Middle School. Then progress to actual black history, by High School.
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Postby Mark Tiedemann » Fri Mar 18, 2011 9:57 am

Lori Koonce wrote:
FrankChurch wrote:Chuck, the next shot is to bring it to the courts and also they should try to impeach the bastards.



You don't pay much attention to the news do ya Frank. Impeachment is a federal matter for one thing. Recall can only be done in the stat of WI if the person has had the office for over a year. That takes care of most of the House and Senate, but Walker cannot recalled for another 9 months.



I'm waiting patiently for someone to notice that what Walker is proposing is a violation of federal collective bargaining laws. What's the justice department waiting for, him to sign it so they can prosecute?

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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby FrankChurch » Fri Mar 18, 2011 11:24 am

Look up the term 'parchment barrier.' If the government looks the other way it doesn't matter what is on paper.

Bush broke several laws but Obama looked the other way. A sad fact of American exceptionalism gone awry.

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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby cynic » Fri Mar 18, 2011 12:20 pm

"The right of private sector employees to be members of unions is governed by federal law, but state and local unions are covered by Wisconsin law."
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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby FrankChurch » Sat Mar 19, 2011 12:04 pm

I don't know what to say about the UN vote on Libya. On one hand it's good that the world community finally cares about a place that it supported for 42 years, but will it lead to full scale war, imperial overstretch? It's too complex to know right now. The left is even split on this.

We do have to watch the US, make sure this isn't about another Iraq style occupation.

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Sadly, concern about Japan is mostly because they hold our debt and we want to be nice.

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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby Moderator » Sat Mar 19, 2011 3:05 pm

FrankChurch wrote: Sadly, concern about Japan is mostly because they hold our debt and we want to be nice.


That's absolutely patently absurd. Have you never suffered through a disaster, Frank? If you had your empathy would be far more effective.

Cancern about Japan is both humanitarian and "that could be us". Particularly here in the Southland. My pharmacist isn't worried about Japan because they owe him money, he's concerned because of the human tragedy. Same with my doctor and my friends at work. Worse than absurd, it's offensive to assert that we as both a people and as a nation only give a damn because we owe them money.

Ridiculous on the face of it -- and all the way through it as well.
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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby FrankChurch » Sat Mar 19, 2011 3:25 pm

They were discussing this on Real Time with Bill Maher, where Maher and Richard Belzer were saying that if they were not close to us or light skinned this would not make the news like it did. That at least is a good point. Eight thousand people die in Africa every day but does it make the news? They used the term 'disaster porn.'

Sure, we should all care about Japan, but their point was why doesn't the media care about other places? This is what started by rant.

I didn't want it to look like it was just me spouting off. I do understand why you were agitated, Barber.

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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby Ezra Lb. » Sat Mar 19, 2011 4:23 pm

FrankChurch wrote:They were discussing this on Real Time with Bill Maher, where Maher and Richard Belzer were saying that if they were not close to us or light skinned this would not make the news like it did. That at least is a good point. Eight thousand people die in Africa every day but does it make the news? They used the term 'disaster porn.'

Sure, we should all care about Japan, but their point was why doesn't the media care about other places? This is what started by rant.

I didn't want it to look like it was just me spouting off. I do understand why you were agitated, Barber.


Remember the tsunami in 2004 that killed 250,000 folks in southeast asia?

Remember the earthquake in Haiti?

Remember the floods in Pakistan?

Noticed a little revolution in Egypt? Civil War in Libya? (Both are in Africa.)

All were extensively covered in the media and involved folks who are somewhat dark complected.
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