Unca Harlan's Art Deco Dining Pavilion

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shagin <smodell1995@yahoo.com>
Bremerton, Washington - Friday, September 5 2008 21:40:55

SUSAN - I dropped a large order for HERC and Kilimanjaro in the mail today (seperate payments), but I forgot the SASE for the HERC membership. Should I send the SASE seperately?

As far as the postage goes, if I didn't get it right, owing to the fact that I have 1 1/2 brain cells of late, um...use it to pay for postage for someone else? Buy stamps? Something?


shagin


dts <none>
OZ, - Friday, September 5 2008 21:26:22

HE's Comic book Resournce interview
Hey, MR. ELLISON: Did the person doing the transcripts for the comic book resource interview...

online right here
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=17926
ron

... did he get it wrong when transcribing this sentence?
"It is a world of increasing stupidity and cultural amnesia, that arrogantly defies the idiotic and the transitory."

Just wondering if that last bit should be "deifies the idiotic and the transitory."

Thanks (in advance) if you were able to answer.
All best, as always, to you _and_ Susan,
-DTS



Chuck Messer
- Friday, September 5 2008 18:26:18

What makes Palin's daughter's pregnancy relelvant is the fact that Govenor Palin cut funding for programs for teenage mothers.

I guess only her daughter get the compassion.

Chuck


Tom Morgan
Silverado, CA - Friday, September 5 2008 18:7:12

Morganization
"Community organizers are the backbone of America. Amen."

Damned anarchists, always trying to get things organized!


Alan Coil
- Friday, September 5 2008 17:25:50

Charlie, if that's what Fletcher meant, why didn't he just say so?


Charlie
St. Pete, FL - Friday, September 5 2008 17:1:17

Maggot Brain
Harlan, I think this answers your query...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBNJ52YSKww


HARLAN ELLISON
- Friday, September 5 2008 16:34:42

FLETCHER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I know you think I'm omniscient, but I shamefully cop to not knowing ENTIRE FUCKING VOLUMES of stuff, so, once again, Fletcher...

whatthefuckareyoutryingtotellme

???????

At sea, at a loss, twixt'n'between, on the horns of the dilemma, 'tween sixes&sevens, fuddled, roiled, as well as

bewitched, bothered, and beMildred.

Ellison


HARLAN ELLISON
- Friday, September 5 2008 16:12:55

REPLY TO CHAS FLETCHER

One word: whatthefuckareyoutryingtosay?

Few of us are telepathic, but even if we were, it wouldn't avail in your case, because telepathy requires TWO minds!

Hoping the fevre soon passes, I remain, MISTER Ellison to you.


Phil Nichols <heb@bradburymedia.co.uk>
Birmingham, UK - Friday, September 5 2008 14:36:3

Dropout writers
Jason:

Bradbury (I assume you meant Ray rather than any other Bradbury) graduated high school, but never went to college. However, you could argue that he went to UCLA... in the sense that he wrote Fahrenheit 451 in the typewriter rental facility in the UCLA library. I understand that UCLA will shortly be dedicating a plaque to commemorate this event.

- Phil



Jason Michelitch <jasonmichelitch@gmail.com>
Arlington, VA - Friday, September 5 2008 14:7:59

Writers and Education

"There's so little (fiction) now that it's pathetic, and it's pathetic all over. Writers come from master-of-fine-arts programs now. If you add up the college education of Steinbeck, Hemingway and Faulkner, you get to spring break of freshman year."


Then again, you have someone like Michael Chabon, easily one of the best of the current crop of fiction writers, who I'm pretty sure has an MFA...

Still, I understand his point. Harlan is another example, which Barber cited. Whether Bradbury dropped out of high school or college, I can never remember.


Frank Church
- Friday, September 5 2008 11:30:59

The brain is a trumpet.

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Palin is not a lightweight. I mentioned myself that her speech made me want to boo Obama. The main problem was she was not talking about our Obama.

Her problem is the fact that she is corrupt.

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The more I see video from the protests the more I see girls getting sprayed in the face, innocent people getting beaten up, cops joking around about it. Ashamed of my old hometown.

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Shit, Ron Silver is back. Talk about milking fifteen minutes.

Shut and sing you hack motherfucker.

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All major legislation would not exist if there was no community organizing to force power to listen to them.

Community organizers are the backbone of America. Amen.


Adam-Troy Castro <adamcastro999@yahoo.com>
- Friday, September 5 2008 10:57:56

The Problem with Tom Wolfe...
...whose work I enjoy, and with so many others who complain about there being no good writers coming up now, is that they totally ignore genre fiction. And I don't just mean the best perpetrators of fantasy and science fiction, but also mysteries; in fact, primarily mysteries. There are folks shelved in the mystery section now who capture the state of the world about as well as anybody else does, and do so with crisp, energetic prose about a zillion times more muscular than anything among the Updike crowd. The same is even true for one or two folks shelved in Horror. There is more to life on this planet than coming of age in college towns, and the folks who make bloviating comments about fiction often fail to see that.


Steve Barber <barbergallery@verizon.net>
- Friday, September 5 2008 10:27:48


In the "10 Questions for..." section of Time Magazine, author Tom Wolfe was asked the question "What are your feelings on the current state of fiction?"

His reply?

"There's so little of it now that it's pathetic, and it's pathetic all over. Writers come from master-of-fine-arts programs now. If you add up the college education of Steinbeck, Hemingway and Faulkner, you get to spring break of freshman year."

If you add in Harlan's, I think you get to a full year...
_____________________________________________

New pics in my Monthly Gallery if y'all wanna see 'em.
_____________________________________________

I'm warning all of you: you're dancing on Sarah Palin's grave a bit too early. She is doing precisely what McCain wanted her to do, which is motivating and energizing the far right. She's a truly powerful candidate precisely because she's the upbeat, happily photogenic right-wing white middle class community organizer who will appeal to that target market.

The more she's criticized, the more that base of voters will stand by her, allowing McCain to make inroads with the independents and Reagan Dems.

Bush was re-elected in spite of some blatantly outrageous (and possibly illegal) behavior. So was Ni*on.

Dismissing Palin as a lightweight is a fool's game...it isn't her depth of experience McCain is counting on, it's her charm.







Jeff R.
Phila., Pa. - Friday, September 5 2008 9:44:53

Charles (or Charlie) of Florida:
Perhaps the title of your post should have been... "To Whom It May Concern"?


Rick <rick@rickwyatt.com>
- Friday, September 5 2008 9:18:52

I don't know, Barney...
isn't the brain technically an organ?


James Van Hise <Jimvanhise@aol.com>
Yucca Valley, CA - Friday, September 5 2008 9:17:26

A Mugs Game
Yeah, John McCain has done a lot of things. He was one of the Keating Five who helped protect Charles Keating and his banks when they used loopholes to swindle hundreds of people who ultimately lost their life savings. Never heard McCain apologize for any of that. Keating went to prison for 5 years and would still be there if a smart lawyer hadn't got him out on a technicality. McCain has run to lobbyists for a long time and his campaign is filled with them.


paul <vaughnrichards@yahoo.com>
Austin, TX - Friday, September 5 2008 8:2:35


Brian Phillips~ "And Obama would be essentially finished. Less "national dialogue", less "plight of the unwed teen mom" and more people sniggering about another colored child that don't act right."

(Insert tongue in cheek here)

As un-pc as as Obama voting as I can be, I must sincerely protest your words, sir!
The word preferred is "s-negro-ing".

Yours in solidarity,
P.




Rick Keeney <rick_keeney@yahoo.com>
Minneapolis, MN - Friday, September 5 2008 7:59:18

Barney Dannelke

one of the best posts I've read here in a long time.

thanks,
Rick


JohnE
- Friday, September 5 2008 7:8:52

I never do this, but I had to double post in order to apologize for the atrocious grammar of "what do you suppose would 1976 Harlan have said". Jesus. Sorry, people.


JohnE
- Friday, September 5 2008 7:6:57

Harlan 1976
Harlan,

I watched the first segment of the YouTube interview posted by Jan, and I was intrigued by your comments concerning the state of television. Specifically, you said back then that it was (I hope this is the correct term) impossible for true art to be presented on television because of the pernicious advertising culture of the medium. In an era of "Happy Days", "Charlie's Angels" and "Love Boat" this was quite probably true, but what do you suppose would 1976 Harlan have said were he given a glimpse of TV in the future -- say, episodes of HOMICIDE, THE SOPRANOS or even LOST? Do any of these programs (or others like them, your pick) come even close to the sort of art you envisioned seeing on TV back then? I'm especially interested in your thoughts because of the imminent re-release of the GLASS TEAT books.

Thanks for taking the time, assuming you have the time.


Ray Carlson
Chicago, - Friday, September 5 2008 6:59:36

A Mugs Game
Obama is a politician backed by Chicago's Daley machine and never once challenged the political corruption in Chicago and Illinois. Not ever. A reformer? A change agent? Not a chance.

Crossing the isle to work with the other party? McCain has done that. Standing-up to corrupt members of his own party? McCain has done that his entire career. Never seeking or taking one dollar of earmarks/wasteful spending his entire time in public office? McCain has done that. Mr. Obama, just this year alone sought and received $126 million in earmarks.

Bottom-line, McCain has done many of the things Obama says he will do when President, but never has when given the opportunity. His voting record is that of a go-along, to get-along guy.
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THE HELM. Dug it.


Brian Phillips
McDonough (Bigger than Wasilla and warmer, too. Bring the kids!), - Friday, September 5 2008 6:37:31

A good site for a look at previous Presidential ad campaigns
Jump in to a swift boat along with Mr. Dannelke and head over to http://www.livingroomcandidate.org. Great post, Barney.

I am NOT a veteran and I will not belittle John McCain's record of service, but did anybody else feel that McCain, like Rudolph Giuliani, is harping on his hardships to woo the electorate?

Also, while realizing that Palin's daughter's behavior is not relevant to her ability to run the country, the coverage has been fascinating. I'm hearing things such as forgiveness, let's focus on the issues, which is fine by me. I'm a Christian, but far from perfect. I can only imagine the scrutiny that Bristol and Levi are facing.

Let's reverse the situation, though. Suppose Obama's daughters were a bit older and one of THEM was pregnant by a man that she wasn't married to. I'd bet that you'd hear things like, BabyDaddy, booty calls...

And Obama would be essentially finished. Less "national dialogue", less "plight of the unwed teen mom" and more people sniggering about another colored child that don't act right.

I pray that we as a country have turned the corner on such thinking, but if I can see John Kerry painted as a coward, Max Cleland called a traitor (to his credit, McCain highly disapproved of both of these claims and said so), I don't think my musings are completely off-base.

Brian Phillips

P.S. The Daily Show ran a clip of an Karl Rove comparing Tim Kaine's experience to Palin's. Palin became the mayor of the "2nd largest city in Alaska" while Tim Kaine's mayoral time was spent in the capital city of Richmond became a short span in a city "...smaller than Chula Vista, California or Aurora, Colorado".

Take a look at "Sarah Palin Gender Card" http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml

Your tumescence will become ob at the attempt to speak afterwards


Charlie
St. Pete, FL - Friday, September 5 2008 6:0:24

The title should read: RIP, Whom
correction


Charles
St. Pete, FL - Friday, September 5 2008 5:59:9

RIP
As I was reading that Time article that James Van Hise directed us to, I came across this statement: "that she wasn't sure who she would vote for in November."

Now, am I wrong, but shouldn't that be "whom". She was not sure for WHOM she would vote in November.

I've been increasingly noting the death of "whom" in the English language. Especially with reporters and others on television. It is as if the word doesn't exist. This reporter works for Time magazine, a distinguished national publication, and the reporter doesn't know the difference between who and whom. Where is the editor?

You don't believe me - try a google search. I searched, in quotes, "whom will you vote for", and "who will you vote for". There are only 799 hits for "whom" and 176,000 for "who". I rest my case. RIP, whom.


dts <non>
OZ - Friday, September 5 2008 4:31:4

Comments by Harlan and Van Hise
James Van Hise: THANks for the link to the Paliln profile -- VERY intersting (and scary).

HARLAN: My daughter picked up the first two issues of "Helm" at your urging (after I told her about the post): both of us read them today. GREAT book! We can't wait for more. Thanks, buddy.

-DTS


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